tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post7044112868687918360..comments2024-03-27T20:42:17.293-07:00Comments on LLNL - The True Story -: Was there any more news about the Ed Moses Giant Magellan Telescope fiasco? Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-59394153388180719082015-10-14T09:01:32.904-07:002015-10-14T09:01:32.904-07:00Thank God this thread is about to disappear. So si...Thank God this thread is about to disappear. So sick of NIF and Ed Moses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-1734687217836900772015-10-14T06:28:41.252-07:002015-10-14T06:28:41.252-07:00Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's not an opinio...Anonymous Anonymous said...<br />It's not an opinion. Below ground things work.<br />October 13, 2015 at 10:03 AM<br /><br />Yes, but in a different physical regime. Lindl had something to sell so he glossed over the key differences, but he's well aware of them of course. All downhole proved is, the concept is sound (duh). It didn't light the way for the NIF, and the failure of the NIC showed that nicely. We do not have any computational predictive capability for laboratory ICF, and as it turns out we've never had any.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-65203659628379195192015-10-13T19:34:47.723-07:002015-10-13T19:34:47.723-07:00Way too much information. Shut the hell up, alread...Way too much information. Shut the hell up, already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-67905347583902803292015-10-13T10:10:29.549-07:002015-10-13T10:10:29.549-07:00From the NIF Wiki page
With each experiment, the ...From the NIF Wiki page<br /><br />With each experiment, the predicted energy needed to reach ignition rose, and it was not clear that post-Nova predictions were any more accurate than earlier ones. The Department of Energy (DOE) decided that direct experimentation was the best way to settle the issue, and in 1978 they started a series of underground experiments at the Nevada Test Site that used small nuclear bombs to illuminate ICF targets. Test were known as Halite or Centurion depending on which lab ran it, LLNL or LANL. Initial data were available by mid-1984, and the testing ceased in 1988.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-73603627064269041702015-10-13T10:03:26.624-07:002015-10-13T10:03:26.624-07:00It's not an opinion. Below ground things work....It's not an opinion. Below ground things work. They worked many, many times. Read Lindl's papers where he mentions the UT capsules that work but he can't talk about. NIF was built on the statement that the UTs show this works. After Nova's failure to ignite, the UTs were pursued to show ignition was at least possible at higher energies. What doesn't work is Lindl's capsule. Don't get me wrong, it's a heroic effort to try, but things don't work above ground due to energy limitations. We know that now. Time to move on. Also, if the physics of capsule ignition was not well established, scientists in the 1980s would not have been able to do those experiments. Maybe they just got lucky? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-67992004337074336282015-10-13T09:15:08.180-07:002015-10-13T09:15:08.180-07:00I don't think the reference was to below groun...I don't think the reference was to below ground "facilities."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-90011079943210966992015-10-13T07:03:35.619-07:002015-10-13T07:03:35.619-07:00The physics of capsule ignition is **not** well kn...The physics of capsule ignition is **not** well known at all, that's a ridiculous ill-informed opinion. The implied reference to below-ground facilities is more evidence of your lack of knowledge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-88513750166383272682015-10-13T06:29:08.158-07:002015-10-13T06:29:08.158-07:00Great, LLE contributed to laser ICF. Guess what, l...Great, LLE contributed to laser ICF. Guess what, laser ICF has failed. Goodbye. LLE also helped develop Livermore's bogus laser EOS program. Most of this has been discredited. <br /><br />LLE wasn't even needed had LLNL kept Nova open. <br /><br />And yes, fusion scientists are crackpots. It's well known in the press:<br /><br />http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/nuclear_power/2013/01/fusion_energy_from_edward_teller_to_today_why_fusion_won_t_be_a_source_of.html<br /><br />Economic and national security? How does a capsule of DT that fizzles out contribute to that? <br /><br />The physics of capsule ignition is well know. The dirty little secret is that above ground facilities don't provide enough energy for ignition and gain. The whole effort has been a waste of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-80990911310210001152015-10-12T21:51:08.117-07:002015-10-12T21:51:08.117-07:00I worked with LLE colleagues over 30 years and the...I worked with LLE colleagues over 30 years and they contributed mightily to the development of laser and target science in the US, much of which contributed and contributes to our economic and national security. <br /><br />October 12, 2015 at 8:04 PM<br /><br />Bullshit. Name one thing, had they not done it, would have damaged or reduced our national security. Name one, just one "mighty development." Really, all they did was show up for work - no accomplishments. Your talking points are decades old, and they stink from being way past their sell by date.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-61590072031812733002015-10-12T20:04:16.375-07:002015-10-12T20:04:16.375-07:00"Don't see why an academic institution li..."Don't see why an academic institution like U. Of Rochester needs a bunch of crackpots."<br /><br />Another bullshit statement. I worked with LLE colleagues over 30 years and they contributed mightily to the development of laser and target science in the US, much of which contributed and contributes to our economic and national security. Smart group of talented men and women, despite some of the huge egos. And yes they where/are our competitors for DOE dollars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-55366869508932045932015-10-12T07:59:42.734-07:002015-10-12T07:59:42.734-07:00Laser fusion has had powerful backers, Teller for ...Laser fusion has had powerful backers, Teller for one, and has become entrenched in the Washington bureaucracy. It might have died off except for the test ban, which gave it new life and the NIF under the auspices of stockpile stewardship. Now that DOE has tripled-down, it's not going away any time soon, especially since the NIF hasn't ignited anything. Ironically, if it had succeeded, the subsequent cold sober look at the problem might have slowed or killed it. The magnetic fusion guys got it right, it's better to be one step away, forever, than to succeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-15987483735097679592015-10-11T21:56:33.227-07:002015-10-11T21:56:33.227-07:00Since there is absolutely nobody at all, not the p...Since there is absolutely nobody at all, not the public, not the press, paying attention to anything regarding lasers (except maybe the Army's new rollout of a new laser weapon), and certainly not nuclear fusion as a source for anything, one wonders how these projects get funded for multiple years in the face of massive pushes from the Obama administration for solar and wind power, to the detriment of fusion, clean coal, and gas. And the current attempt to scuttle a bipartisan House bill to (finally since 1972) allow export of US produced crude oil, based on the objection that the legislation ought to focus on "clean energy" instead, as if they were mutually exclusive. The march to greater insanity continues...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-90351526178608562852015-10-11T20:58:08.254-07:002015-10-11T20:58:08.254-07:00The head of Omega is even more intolerable than Ed...The head of Omega is even more intolerable than Ed. Super huge ego on an annoying little man. These laser guys always come off as used car salesmen. NNSA should shut that place down. Don't see why an academic institution like U. Of Rochester needs a bunch of crackpots. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-11272350267000998652015-10-10T16:03:45.240-07:002015-10-10T16:03:45.240-07:00Ed Moses is a true Livermore-style success story. ...Ed Moses is a true Livermore-style success story. He sold Congress a bunch of baloney. When it failed, he got even more money. When it completely tanked, he got even more money and a new job. Then, when he finally got canned, he's a misunderstood genius.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-14799458965251725482015-10-08T21:46:23.764-07:002015-10-08T21:46:23.764-07:00Sorry dude - this is total bullshit ! I know Ed Mo...Sorry dude - this is total bullshit ! I know Ed Moses well and none of this is true !<br /><br />October 8, 2015 at 10:54 AM<br /> <br />I guess I know him better, because it all is true. Even the part about limited abilities, and the GMT fiasco is more evidence of that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-74496215688332915252015-10-08T20:05:25.034-07:002015-10-08T20:05:25.034-07:00This is one of the most twisted examples of ethica...This is one of the most twisted examples of ethical reasoning that I have heard since the Viet Nam war. California has truly gone to hell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-50195290349038503582015-10-08T20:02:20.722-07:002015-10-08T20:02:20.722-07:00"Blind loyalty like the Livermore type goes s..."Blind loyalty like the Livermore type goes something like this. You have a high level manager, one step away from being director. He is having an affair with a lab postdoc. He's flying all around the world with her, going to conferences, and paying her way with lab accounts. This ...."<br /><br />Are you insinuating that this was Ed's conduct ? I think you are referring to someone else. Don't mislead the blog readers !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-2082287129285642582015-10-08T14:26:46.628-07:002015-10-08T14:26:46.628-07:00Get it?
October 8, 2015 at 12:14 PM
Yes, but app...Get it?<br /><br />October 8, 2015 at 12:14 PM<br /><br />Yes, but apparently you don't. Why keep on bring up the issue of illegal behavior? It is just a red herring in the argument about what constitutes loyalty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-70517229324228644542015-10-08T12:14:12.081-07:002015-10-08T12:14:12.081-07:00Blind loyalty like the Livermore type goes somethi...Blind loyalty like the Livermore type goes something like this. You have a high level manager, one step away from being director. He is having an affair with a lab postdoc. He's flying all around the world with her, going to conferences, and paying her way with lab accounts. This just to facilitate the affair, her work being unrelated to the conferences visited. Everyone knows this and goes along. One day he gets caught and has to be fired by the director. The DOE has to issue new travel rules because of the embarrassment. This could have been avoided if someone spoke up early and prevented his illegal activity. But blind loyalty to power prevented this. Get it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-63356060189208326832015-10-08T10:54:07.803-07:002015-10-08T10:54:07.803-07:00"WOW - Why does no one simply state that a bu..."WOW - Why does no one simply state that a bully (Moses) was a total loser - why is that hard for many people. Moses was an ass and he did not understand even the most basic human interactions. He had some (very) limited abilities that could have been useful, but he was unable to use them reasonably due to his own inappropriate ego. Amazing that so few understood that from the beginning, and his negative influence was allowed to be used so negatively at the Lab. What a waste and loss for the Lab"<br /><br />Sorry dude - this is total bullshit ! I know Ed Moses well and none of this is true !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-78229758687892358472015-10-08T09:21:13.898-07:002015-10-08T09:21:13.898-07:00Your apparent belief that "loyalty" equa...Your apparent belief that "loyalty" equates to "following orders" explains a lot. Members of the US military are expected to be loyal to the service, and to their country, but are also expected to decline to follow any unlawful order. That does not present any logical, or moral, dichotomy to most people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-12292678175902958142015-10-08T04:58:55.380-07:002015-10-08T04:58:55.380-07:00Adolf Eichmann would be your model employee. Just ...Adolf Eichmann would be your model employee. Just following orders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-68203699150047653972015-10-07T21:02:47.058-07:002015-10-07T21:02:47.058-07:00Not being blindly loyal does not equate to disloya...Not being blindly loyal does not equate to disloyalty.<br /><br />October 7, 2015 at 7:50 PM<br /><br />In what organization does management allow such parsing of the degree of loyalty of its employees? Please enlighten us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-31906192212919162422015-10-07T20:10:15.163-07:002015-10-07T20:10:15.163-07:00The fact that LLNL sold its future to the fusion c...The fact that LLNL sold its future to the fusion crackpots is proof of their blind loyalty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5936951073896589340.post-72143887686119902912015-10-07T19:50:45.948-07:002015-10-07T19:50:45.948-07:00Black and white thinking 7:15 pm. Not being blindl...Black and white thinking 7:15 pm. Not being blindly loyal does not equate to disloyalty. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com