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Friday, May 24, 2019

Another Scandal !

Another Scandal
Former LANL scientist indicted for making false statements

SANTA FE, N.M. — A former top scientist with Los Alamos National Laboratories has been federally charged with three counts of making false official statements about “his involvement with a program established by the Chinese government to recruit people with access to and knowledge of foreign technology and intellectual property,” according to a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office.

https://www.abqjournal.com/1320008/former-lanl-scientist-indicted-for-making-false-statements.html

79 comments:

Anonymous said...


Triad is off to good start.

Anonymous said...

The LA monitor story states last event occurred in Sept 2018 so it looks like this predates Triad

Anonymous said...

In any case, to blame the contractor for an employee lying to federal investigators is ridiculous. But "blame the contractor " is a common theme here, mostly by the same person, over and over. Churchill: "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."

Anonymous said...

Doesn’t matter. This will be Wen ho Lee all over again. Let’s see which version of Nanos they bring in.

Anonymous said...

"Doesn’t matter. This will be Wen ho Lee all over again. Let’s see which version of Nanos they bring in.

5/25/2019 7:44 PM"

Yep, it will all come back, cowboy scientists, out of control lab, Chinese spies, reckless security measures and so on.

So who will this play out? Will we have an all hands meeting next week, a standown, Congressional hearings. Or will another possibility is that LANL has been in the news so many times that no one will care and it will just be the same.

Anonymous said...

Doesn’t seem that complicated, he accepted position and payment, didn’t disclose, lied about it to lab and OPM - at least that is what he is charged with. If true it appears the system worked. Doesn’t really matter who contractor was.

Anonymous said...

This guy did not steal SRD information and hide the tapes in his house in White Rock.

Anonymous said...

"Doesn’t seem that complicated, he accepted position and payment, didn’t disclose, lied about it to lab and OPM - at least that is what he is charged with. If true it appears the system worked. Doesn’t really matter who contractor was."

That is not how it works. This can always be spun to attack the lab. The press can always say that this kind of stuff only happens at LANL
and not anywhere else in the United States. It is just another scandal in long list of scandals. To this day people will talk about how LANL stole multiple Mustangs when that never happened. They will say that WHL was jailed for life for being a Chinese spy when in fact he served maybe a year at most and was never charged with spying. They will point out that LANL had to shutdown for a year under Nanos because it was so out of control. You may remember that the NYT had to run a correction in the WHL case, of course no one remembers the correction.

Anonymous said...

8:38 Neither did Wen Ho Lee.

Anonymous said...

A lab fellow?!. How is this position vetted?

Anonymous said...

The title of “Lab Fellow” has long been utilized by upper management as a reward system for proper fealty. These days managers themselves can become Fellows. It is just so much window dressing. It has little if any meaning.

Anonymous said...

8:38 Neither did Wen Ho Lee.

5/27/2019 6:44 AM

The FBI begs to differ.

Anonymous said...

7:10am.

A real question. How dare you!

While it is detrimental to the lab to limit its breadth, we are in the national security business. I believe 7:10 is saying something that needs to be extended to all aspects of our institution. We should truly bring back a strong security and secrecy policy and let go of the openness policies we started in the 90s.

Anyone up for a true dialog on the merits?

Anonymous said...

A lab fellow?!. How is this position vetted?

5/27/2019 7:10 AM

Considering the timeframe, likely bestowed on him by either Wallace or McMillan.

Anonymous said...

"We should truly bring back a strong security and secrecy policy and let go of the openness policies we started in the 90s. "

Agreed, however the only problem that this started in the early 70s or even 60s. I have no idea why are you saying openness started in the 90s. Heck even the neutrino experiments that lead to the noble prize occurs in the 50s. Personally I think making LANL even more scientifically isolated is an extremely bad idea in terms keeping some level of excellence, not to mention that it will probably do absolutely nothing in terms of security measures.

Are you a Russian bot?

Anonymous said...


The news is starting to spread, so when do the calls for shutting the lab down, throwing out all foreign nationals, getting rid of scientists starts. 5:58pm has the ball rolling.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/crime/article/US-lab-scientist-charged-with-lying-about-China-13899868.php?psid=74UVt

Anonymous said...

It appears the system worked and he was caught. Even his neighbor is quoted in the SF New Mexican "what a nice guy, hard to imagine but he did make many trips to China." This should have sent up some major red flags. However, with clearance reinvestigations happening every 5 years, a person could do a lot of damage in between.

Anonymous said...

https://www.abqjournal.com/1321005/us-lab-scientist-charged-with-lying-about-china-contact.html

"ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — A scientist employed until recently at Los Alamos National Laboratory has pleaded not guilty to charges that he lied about contacts with a state-run program in China that seeks to draw foreign-educated talent.

Turab Lookman, 67, of Santa Fe, entered the plea Tuesday before a judge ruled that he could be released on a $50,000 secured bond with his family’s home on Bishop’s Lodge Road as collateral.

His travel will be restricted to the Albuquerque and Santa Fe areas as he awaits trial on charges of making false statements while working at LANL."

So he pleaded not guilty and is allowed home on a 50k bond but is restricted in his travel to Santa Fe and Abq.

One question is if the lab was justified in firing him which I presume must have happened right after he was arrested? Suppose it turns out he is found not guilty does the lab have to hire him back?

Anonymous said...

Ok the more that comes out about this case the more it looks really really fishy and that it may be another colossal FBI screwup.

From
https://www.wral.com/us-scientist-pleads-not-guilty-to-lying-about-china-contact/18416283/

Now this is just weird

"Authorities said Lookman came under scrutiny after he told a co-worker that he had citizenship in four difference countries — including India, where he was born. "

"The prosecutor said Lookman has financial accounts in all four countries, and that he had also lied about having citizenship in each of them.

Lookman's attorney said there was no proof presented in court that he had lied about his citizenship as part of his employment in Los Alamos."

It is not a crime to have accounts in 4 countries, particularly ones where someone has lived before. Also why would someone lie about having citizenship in four countries much less have that as a requirement for employment?

Anonymous said...

Another tidbit, from
"https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-mexico/articles/2019-05-28/us-lab-scientist-charged-with-lying-about-china-contact"

"Lookman's attorney, Paul Linnenburger, said Kraehe had failed to prove that his client had accessed or downloaded any high-level security information before his job was terminated at the laboratory. He also added that while Lookman had top-security clearance, most of his work and research over the years had been made public."

This means he was terminated. So all this went down when he was a current LANL employee.

Anonymous said...

Are you a Russian bot?

5/28/2019 4:46 AM

net

Anonymous said...

A lab fellow?!. How is this position vetted?

5/27/2019 7:10 AM

By technical experience/publications/reputation. What is your point? The OPM Q clearance vetting was not enough?

Anonymous said...

"It appears the system worked and he was caught."

Or it could be another FBI nothing burger.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"We should truly bring back a strong security and secrecy policy and let go of the openness policies we started in the 90s. "

Agreed, however the only problem that this started in the early 70s or even 60s. I have no idea why are you saying openness started in the 90s. Heck even the neutrino experiments that lead to the noble prize occurs in the 50s. Personally I think making LANL even more scientifically isolated is an extremely bad idea in terms keeping some level of excellence, not to mention that it will probably do absolutely nothing in terms of security measures.

Are you a Russian bot?

5/28/2019 4:46 AM


Should have known better than to ask for dialog on the merits on a blog dedicated to a national scientific lab. Beyond the fact that simple aspects of security such as physical access changes, foreign national access as outlined in IG reports, etc. So to get past your name calling and refer to your only valid stipulation you feel that the benefit is not worth the loss of “excellence”. This is worth discussing. Did the case you site need openness to lead to the scientific discovery? Second, while I truly believe scientific discovery is a greater cause than one specific country, is that the mission of LANL.

Anonymous said...

I guess that the Livermore or Sandia folks who do the same thing are just smarter and they don’t get caught. Look. At the moment, anything regarding China or a Chinese connection will get you in trouble. Hell, I’m sure that the FBI is watching the new noodle place in Los Alamos, in addition to the old haunts.

Anonymous said...



I think the defense plea will be that he did not consider the thing in China to be a outside job. The 10000 talents has all sorts of
levels of positions some are like just being on panels where you just get travel paid not actual employment. If that is the case anyone who is on any kind outside panel, like a Ph.d thesis committee at a University, NFS panel, NIH panel, DOD, or even agrees to review papers, or projects from these who happened to think that these are not external jobs, (which they of course are not) will than be said to be lying on the forms. What they should have done is sent out an email to the labs about this particular program so it would be clear to everyone. Lying means you deliberately know you are not telling the truth. Maybe he really believed the particular program he applied for is not a a
external job and no readable person would have thought it was an external job. On the other hand if the program was some kind longer term thing with significant compensation than a reasonable person would see this as employment offer.

Anonymous said...

This is not unique to LANL. See, for example:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/MD-Anderson-fires-3-scientists-over-concerns-13780570.php.
https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/crime/2018/02/08/tva-exec-china-nuclear-spy-case-sentencing-ching-ning-guey/319023002/
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-nuclear-engineer-sentenced-24-months-prison-violating-atomic-energy-act

The good news is the administration is starting to push back on China's espionage.

Anonymous said...

Or it could be another FBI nothing burger.

5/28/2019 6:35 PM

Doubt it. The guy was caught lying on several occasions regarding his security clearance. Tip of the iceberg. Adios amigo.

Anonymous said...

"Doubt it. The guy was caught lying on several occasions regarding his security clearance. "

Who said he was lying, the particular position he applied for may not have actually qualified as a job. An overzealous FBI person wanting a feather in their cap could easily jump the gun.

This has happened before just remember the Xi Xiaoxing case.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/12/us/politics/us-drops-charges-that-professor-shared-technology-with-china.html

So yes it could a nothing burger. Or maybe not.

Anonymous said...

"Who said he was lying..." 5/29/2019 5:32 PM

He was indicted by a federal grand jury.

"The indictment alleges that Lookman made false statements about his involvement with China’s Thousand Talents Program on an employment questionnaire, in a debriefing with a Los Alamos National Laboratory counterintelligence officer, and to an investigator from the National Background Investigation Bureau/Office of Personnel Management."

So yeah, he is officially accused of lying.

Anonymous said...

5:32 PM

Nothing burger. These things are always nothing burgers because nothing burgers are easy to find. Finding real spies take effort and skill, things that are in short supply right now for obvious reasons. So nothing burger it is.

Anonymous said...

People fail to realize that being an academic scientist is like being a beggar. You have you go and look for handouts from anywhere you can to keep your salary and your research going. No grants = no job. You are paying your own salary, effectively. Obviously this bizarre system of turning geniuses into beggars is open to abuse by rich governments handing out money like candy.

Anonymous said...

Obviously this bizarre system of turning geniuses into beggars is open to abuse by rich governments handing out money like candy.

6/01/2019 8:17 AM

The abuse occurs when scientists give up their morals and ethics in accepting tainted money.

Anonymous said...

This is once again a case how our "intelligence" agencies have no clue how actual research is done.

Anonymous said...



A 67 year old theoretical physicist? I can almost guarantee you that he did not lie, he just did not remember. This is a very common trait of very brilliant people who focus on theoretical physics. They just don't care about what regular people care about. Most of the time they walk around in a stupor, totally immersed on their thinking.

Anonymous said...

"Most of the time they walk around in a stupor, totally immersed on their thinking.

6/01/2019 10:21 PM"

Unlike those who "most of the time blog around in a stupor, totally devoid of any thinking."

Anonymous said...

Unlike those who "most of the time blog around in a stupor, totally devoid of any thinking."

6/02/2019 12:33 PM

The irony is just stunning...stunning.

Anonymous said...



The Feds really messed this one up.

Anonymous said...

"A 67 year old theoretical physicist? I can almost guarantee you that he did not lie, he just did not remember. This is a very common trait of very brilliant people who focus on theoretical physics. They just don't care about what regular people care about. Most of the time they walk around in a stupor, totally immersed on their thinking."

Wow, that's scary. A 67 yo with a Q clearance not remembering or understanding the ramifications or consequences of working with China because he's brilliant and doesn't care. I can't tell you how many times at LANL we are reminded to report foreign contacts so to feign ignorance is shocking. WOnder how many other nutjob theoretical physicists we have walking around playing nice nice with sensitive foreign countries.

Anonymous said...

"People fail to realize that being an academic scientist is like being a beggar. You have you go and look for handouts from anywhere you can to keep your salary and your research going. No grants = no job. You are paying your own salary, effectively. Obviously this bizarre system of turning geniuses into beggars is open to abuse by rich governments handing out money like candy."

Fair enough but when you hold a security clearance, there are certain expectations that trump going around and begging for money from sensitive foreign countries.

Anonymous said...

"Fair enough but when you hold a security clearance, there are certain expectations that trump going around and begging for money from sensitive foreign countries.

6/03/2019 6:27 AM"

Fair enough but certain lab directors said "follow the money" and many a division leader have told the scientists that they need to hit the
streets to keep the money going. Many of them remember the labs let people go when you don't have funding. This never happens to a the ever growing number of managers. Maybe this guy was just doing what the managers said to go find some money.

Anonymous said...

" WOnder how many other nutjob theoretical physicists we have walking around playing nice nice with sensitive foreign countries."

Many, the problem is that there can be no LANL or LLANL without brilliant people who focus on theoretical physics. Perhaps you don't understand what they do and why they do it so you call them nutjobs but your job depends on them.

Anonymous said...

I think it may be better for "Managers" to go chase the money and let the scientists be scientists.

Anonymous said...



Follow the money!!!!

Anonymous said...

Follow the money!!!!

6/03/2019 5:16 PM


Thanks for the meaningless bumpersticker.

Anonymous said...

"I think it may be better for "Managers" to go chase the money and let the scientists be scientists."

ROFLMAO!!!!! That is not how it works! Thats not how any of this works!

The WHOLE point of being a manger at LLNL or LANL is to NOT WORK. Once you are in management your work is over. It is sort of like a reward for years of being a suck-up. At LLNL and LANL management is not about leadership or vision. You always manage up, you insulate yourself as much as possible from anyone below you. You tow the line and do not cause problems. Your loyalty is now to management and management alone. No manager at these labs would ever chase money or do anything that might take skill or effort, it is not their job. Management is like being a made man in the Mafia, your work is done and you can relax. You will never be fired, you will never need to produce, never need to lead, never have to chase money, never need to come up with new ideas, never have have to accountable, and will always have others below you to blame. You are protected by unwritten rules that managers never turn on other managers and HR and support staff know to be loyal to you and not the workers. You can work very few hours and no one can touch you, it is a good life, albeit a very empty one. The only ambition one can have is to move up to the next run of the ladder. Technical accomplishments, breakthroughs, advancements in knowledge, getting the job done no longer have any meaning to you since your job is now utterly decoupled from this. Your only role is to suck up to the next level because that and that alone determines if you advance.
The NNSA labs are very odd places that have split off from the rest of the world a long time ago, so the rules of the world do not apply at the NNSA labs.

Ok maybe that was a tad over the top but there is certainly some truth in it. There is simply too much management with does very little. This kind of stuff exploded under LANS so maybe with TRIAD some things will change.

Anonymous said...


Indeed follow the money!!!!

Anonymous said...

8:18. Sadly, your post isn’t “over the top”. It is spot on. LANL and Livermore management exists for one purpose - to line their pockets. It is a horrible reality across the DOE complex.

Anonymous said...

6/03/2019 8:18 PM's post is not "spot on." It is a ridiculous anti-management diatribe that is too typical on this blog. The trouble-makers, the dissenters, the work-avoiders, the 2-hour lunchers, the purposeful instruction misunderstanders, all hate management and any attempt to make them actually work for a living. Workers who not only do not even try to understand what management wants from them but insist that they know better, are the bane of managers everywhere, not just at NNSA labs. Usually, it is much easier to be rid of them.

Anonymous said...

Let’s back up. The point is not what management does but what it should do. Letting a scientist, that many comments in this blog say is not capable of functioning in this role, is a failure of management. A little condescending too I must note. The point is any responsible root cause would come to the base question of “why is a scientist for a national lab, supporting national security, be put in the position of chasing money?”

Anonymous said...

“why is a scientist for a national lab, supporting national security, be put in the position of chasing money?”

Because they care about what they do while the rest of the world cares about money. Managers care about their personal money, politicians care about science, the average person cares about money and sex. Than there is a smaller number of artist, scientists, and monks that care about the rest of the stuff. Some how a bit of money is dolled out to them for entertainment, salvation or defense but they have to fight for it.

Anonymous said...

"6/03/2019 8:18 PM's post is not "spot on." It is a ridiculous anti-management diatribe that is too typical on this blog. The trouble-makers, the dissenters, the work-avoiders, the 2-hour lunchers, the purposeful instruction misunderstanders, all hate management and any attempt to make them actually work for a living. Workers who not only do not even try to understand what management wants from them but insist that they know better, are the bane of managers everywhere, not just at NNSA labs. Usually, it is much easier to be rid of them."

This is a joke right? Work-avoiders, 2-hour lunchers, purposeful interaction misunderstanders are all characteristics of management. It is no secret that LLNL and LANL management is externally poor quality. Every time there is some workplace questioner or poll management is rated horribly low, much lower than you see in DOE labs, DOD labs and Universities. Even HQ knows this. Here is a test for you, just ask the high performers in your group, and not the self-proclaimed ones, but the ones with most awards, leading projects, accolades, external job offers, you know the ones, just ask them what they think about lab management and you will have your answer.

Here is another test take the lowest performers, the dregs, the ones that have nothing but excuses for why they can never get anything done. Ask them what THEY think of management and most of the time you will find that they love management and survive by simply sucking up. Now take the next logical step...think real hard about this, why do think that management is looked down upon by anybody worth their salt at the labs. Just a hint but the last point is a big part of this. Now I am not saying you one of these people but come clean with this...are you a higher performer or a low performer in your group?

To be fair some of this is over the top and their is range of quality of managers, but as some of other posters chimed in poor quality management is big problem at the labs. It is not so much that the high performers are not recognized but it that management does not nothing to actually help people do their jobs. Managers don't seem to want anything other than being left alone or crooned over. The other issue that poor performers often latch themselves on to managers and drag the whole system down since the managers come to the higher performs and say please put this guy on your project, and when they do nothing the manager goes on about what great guy he is and plays a great game of golf. The other problem is this weird sense that they try to avoid interacting with the staff, even in the group, div and higher all meetings are only done because DOE or something mandates it.

At least at LANL some of this could change with TRIAD. I know for fact they and DOE are aware of this problem.

Anonymous said...

Many, the problem is that there can be no LANL or LLANL without brilliant people who focus on theoretical physics. Perhaps you don't understand what they do and why they do it so you call them nutjobs but your job depends on them.

I understand what they do. They are typically brilliant but many are nut jobs. Hey, I've Lived in Los Alamos too long to not get it. Whats the standing joke- how can you point out a theoretical physicist in a crowd? They are the ones riding their bicycles down the street with spandex shorts and black dress socks.

Anonymous said...

I've been to plenty of estate sales in Los ALamos of former physicists. It's like walking into the Black Hole or LANL salvage yard/heap. They are total hoarders.

Anonymous said...

Again though, these brilliant maybe socially awkward people should not be put in the position of chasing money especially when that chase could put them in the position that started this conversation.

Anonymous said...

"Whats the standing joke- how can you point out a theoretical physicist in a crowd? They are the ones riding their bicycles down the street with spandex shorts and black dress socks."

I have never heard of such a standing joke. Come to think of it I have not seem anyone with spandex shorts and black dress socks in Los Alamos, at least not at the same time. Perhaps I am taking your point too literally but then again I don't think you are being serious. The spandex short people in Los Alamos or New Mexico seem to just be serious bike riders which could be anyone. I understand that you need to use unjustified stereotypes to insult people. I would hate to hear what your "standing jokes" are about other ethnic or religious groups, but hey you do you.

In any case a seriously doubt you have any idea of what physicists or scientists actually do.

Anonymous said...


--why is a scientist for a national lab, supporting national security, be put in the position of chasing money.

Well the lab gets 2B a years. First mangers get around 1/4 of that. Support staff get 1/4, outreach to NM gets 1/20, security gets 1/4. That leaves 1/5 for the science. This also agrees with the 17% Ph.d numbers at the lab.

Now we all agree we need mangers.
Now we all agree we need support staff.
Now we all agree we need out reach.
And we all agree we need security.

As for science we do not agree what science we need so they have to fight over which kind of science gets funding so some win some lose. If you don't secure funding your job is in danger, so need to chase money anyway you can. As for the other categories that have fixed salaries. So scientists at the lab are treated the most poorly, managers and support staff know this and act accordingly. The follow the money statement was to only about 1/5 of the lab workforce, everyone is safe no matter what happens.

Anonymous said...

6/07/2019 7:03 AM

Scientists don't "fight over which kind of science gets funding..." This is completely a NNSA decision except for WFO and LDRD. Both are very small pies. Mr. "Ph.d" strikes again with his skewed, outdated, biased view of the labs and science in general.

Anonymous said...

6/07/2019 7:03 AM


Dude stop whining no one cares about what you have to say. As for science that is window dressing to keep the scam going. Of course that labs have to pretend that they are doing something when we all know this about giving way free and easy money. Look the20% percent of the lab that complain about fighting for money need to figure out how to get the the other 80%. You got a problem with the lab than become a manager or get out.

Anonymous said...

7:42, while your comments might be viewed as insightful by those who have never worked at a National Lab, they could also be viewed as anti-American trolling by those of us who do defend this country from myriad threats.

Anonymous said...

"us who do defend this country from myriad threats."

If the United States cared about any kind of threat that could be countered by NW than why on earth did they privatize the labs? Bechtel has done far more damage to the US than any activist from Santa Fe.

Anonymous said...

1:11 yes, they have. Nuclear weapons should not be a for profit enterprise. That is fundamental.

Anonymous said...

Nuclear weapons should not be a for profit enterprise. That is fundamental.

6/09/2019 10:03 AM

Aside from LANL and LLNL, the rest of the NWC has been for-profit for a very long time. Please explain why 1) ALL other weapons development in the US except nuclear is ok at for-profit, and 2) why for-profit contractors running LANL and LLNL under a serious, competent federal agency oversight would be bad.

Anonymous said...

"6/09/2019 5:45 PM"

We have gone over both these points huge number of times.

Point 1. Literally all other weapons systems are actually made by private companies, can be tested to see if they work, sold to many other placed beyond the US. Nuclear weapons are developed by the government, they are not tested and not sold to anyone else. Under a private enterprise they are ripe for corruption especially in age where there is no testing. When making a fighter jet it has to work, so if try and cheat steal and lie about everything to get more profit it can still be caught when the jet does not fly. Also for profit could work if there is some form of actual competition, so and so figure planes work better than so and so. In the NW business there is no free market. The other reason is that private companies actually have something to offer in these cases. Lockheed can actually do something that the government cannot do which is to make certain types of weapons. No private company actually has anything to offer in the way of NW. You could bring up the other NNSA facilities like clean up, disposal and plants, but there are a couple of counter points to this. (1) the for profit models on these have often not done that well either. (2) Some of these have very specific and narrow mission and in some cases private company could in fact have something to offer.

Point 2, In principle this could work, but the problem is that if the goal of the company running it is to make money they will no problems doing thing that could be against US interests. This of course is true in terms of conventional weapons as well however there are many more checks in balances in that case such as competitors, testing of the results , and so on all which are absent in the NW case. Also the biggest issue is that private companies really have nothing to offer in terms of running a NW facility, they do not bring new technical know how, new technologies, new methods of anything like that. The claim is that they could bring in better "business practices", it is not clear how much that would add even if was true, but as we have seen this was not true. Running a NW lab is not like running a widget factory, nor is itlike running a company that makes hundreds of fighter jets, for set periods of time.

The labs ran very well for 60 yeas as non-profit, there are also a number of DOE science labs that are not profit. No reasonable argument has been given as to what for profit could add to LLNL, LANL or other DOE labs. Plenty of arguments have even given why it is a bad idea and the results have now been seen.

Anonymous said...

5:45pm. ^^^^^^ what he said. It was and always will be a resistance by the pampered. High salaries, low expectations makes for a soft underbelly.

Anonymous said...

(1) LLNL and LANL are the design agencies and only they can certify or assess weapons
(2) Pit production for LEPs
(3) The oversight is mostly incompetent, with exceptions
(4) Overzealous enforcement of an incoherent set of regulations by incompetent or malicious regulators will guarantee delays, cost overrun, and eventually profit, if incentivized.

Anonymous said...

"5:45pm. ^^^^^^ what he said. It was and always will be a resistance by the pampered. High salaries, low expectations makes for a soft underbelly. "

Are you saying the LLNS and LANS for profit people are pampered with high salaries and low
expectations? Yes, we can all agree on that and the the for profit model caused this kind of
problems along with others to thrive. The experiment was done and it was an total disaster. Ok maybe for Bechtel flunkies it was a success in terms of easy money, lots of pampering and no delivery but for everyone else a disaster. I am glad that we can all agree on this.

Anonymous said...

I am glad that we can all agree on this.

6/10/2019 9:48 AM

We can't, and we don't. Try to get a grip on reality.

Anonymous said...

"We can't, and we don't. Try to get a grip on reality."

Ok so 99% of the readers agree on this and the one LANL hater does not. I think at 99% it safe to say that we all agree. The other way to put it is that the rational people agree. We have provided arguments to you, provided facts to you, provided numbers to you yet you never respond with actual augments.

Saying: "It was and always will be a resistance by the pampered. High salaries, low expectations makes for a soft underbelly. " is not argument. It just a nasty comment like everything else you throw out.

Anonymous said...

Mistake #1: Your baseless claim of 99% and your claim that anyone who disagrees is irrational.

Mistake #2: Assuming 6/09/2019 8:28 PM and 6/11/2019 6:33 PM are the same person. They aren't.

Anonymous said...


"Mistake #1: Your baseless claim of 99% and your claim that anyone who disagrees is irrational."

Read your own posts, do those sound rational? Insults are not rational by definition.

>Mistake #2: Assuming 6/09/2019 8:28 PM and 6/11/2019 6:33 PM are the same person. They aren't.

I suspect they are exactly the same person.

Anonymous said...

They aren’t. I’m the other.

Anonymous said...

6/06/2019 9:12 PM

Then you haven’t lived in LA that long. I work in the weapons program, so I know what physicists. Get over yourself. For someone defending t-physicists so much, you must be one.

Anonymous said...

I work in the weapons program, so I know what physicists.

6/14/2019 12:27 PM

Of course you do. Explains a lot.

Anonymous said...

Then you haven’t lived in LA that long. I work in the weapons program, so I know what physicists. Get over yourself. For someone defending t-physicists so much, you must be one.

You are not a LANL person, we have some...some standards. LLNL maybeeee, but I really doubt that as well. I could say Sandia for sure, but no one seems to have a sense of humor on the blog. Ok, you are ex-lanl employee with an axe to grind, well that is a big surprise as know a few ex-lanl guys an issues that they will not, they cannot let go. But hey the have as much right as everyone to say their nonsense and everyone else has the right to point out their nonsense (;

Anonymous said...

6-14-19 10:00pm

The denial is strong with this one. LANL is perfect. Nothing to see here.

Anonymous said...

Scooby deleted this (probably will again, against his own rules (as usual))":

"I work in the weapons program, so I know what physicists." 6/14/2019 10:00 PM

Of course you do. Explains a lot.

See, Scooby?? No denigration, no profanity, no name calling, just a simple reply to a nonsensical statement. Why is this censored??

doobydew said...

I delete what violates the rules. Your comment must have contained a bad word, like in name calling.

Anonymous said...

The word around T-division is that Lookman was ticked-off at Sarrao (ALDSC, who views scientists as the enemy) for defunding his work and told Sarrao to go "grow some crystals." When Lookman's name came across Sarrao's desk in the form of a CI interview that didn't quite fit, Sarrao escalated it. It's Sarrao's decision to terminate _before_ Lookman has had a trial.

Sarrao's director ambition is well known. Mason needs to watch his back. Maybe someone with some sand will get just sick enough of Sarrao to release the reams of evidence of his commissions and omissions of waste, fraud, and abuse (think 'cost codes') and T-division will finally be rid of the scourge of Sarrao.

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