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Monday, September 10, 2018
Triad benefit package
Triad benefit package approved. LANL employees getting two paid Holidays stripped from their benefit package. Retirement, insurance remains the same as presently offered.
25 comments:
Anonymous
said...
So Triad met the federal requirement. Big deal? LANL employees are smart enough to know that it was the Feds who screwed them.
What Triad should really do is dump the 9-80. The lab is empty 7:30AM and the cars start leaving at 3:30pm. Every Friday there is only about 1/3-1/4 the people. I dare anyone...anyone to actually deny this. The idea that people are working 9 hours a day is joke.
I know that there are few exceptions to this, like security forces and some of the more applied or production facilities but for everyplace else this is true and everyone knows this.
I think we can live with two less holidays. Besides a single day holiday is like two days off because the Fridays before any holiday is completely empty, so it will save four days of work.
Wow, TRIAD company MEN are already on this blog! See the above posts. Two holidays is an inexcusable reduction in benefits all while adding three weeks to paid parental leave for female LANL employees. Blame the Feds, that's easy to do as they are all pretty much morons. Triad could have proposed two floating holidays to replace those taken, however they did not. They are in bed with the NNSA and the employees get brewed, screwed and tattooed! A union would have stopped this non sense years ago,perhaps it's not to late, other benefits will be reduced over time, watch and weep as you snovel in your management positions traveling more than actually working.
Oh don't worry they will. This is the first phase of Triad chopping away at employee benefits at LANL. They are already chopping away and they haven't even started yet!
7:21 I guess I’ll bite. The parking lots begin to fill up well before 7:00am with people still working after 7:00pm. Fridays generally have far more than half the people present. You are right about one thing, most people do not work 9 hours per day. Some take vacation, some work more, some are on travel (without compensation), some have FMLA, some work nights, weekends etc. I think you need a new hobby besides pretending you understand the LANL work force or their work ethic.
"7:21 I guess I’ll bite. The parking lots begin to fill up well before 7:00am with people still working after 7:00pm. "
Completely and utterly false. The parking lots are completely empty at 5:30pm. At 7 AM it is still empty.
All Fridays are far less than half full, some are down to 1/4 at best, not to mention that by 4PM on a Friday the lots are empty.
" I think you need a new hobby besides pretending you understand the LANL work force or their work ethic."
Look I am a pro LANL person but the 9-80 is completely abused. In fact I have yet to meet anyone who feels that the 9-80 is not abused. Trust me I think I might just have a bit more understanding of the LANL work force ethic than you.
By the way what Technical area do you work in? I suspect that you may have a different perceptive depending on where you work.
Time for a blog challenge!!!!
Ok if 6:02 PM is right there must be lots of of posters who can chime in and agree with him. I say he is not being honest or parks or works in specific part of the lab that this is not an issue.
I do agree with the production facilities. The lots are full by 7:30. Many people arriving before 7 a.m. Orgs that support customers work strict hours. I'm sure the other science-Y parts of the lab come and go as they please.
The whole A or B schedule concept was a disaster, and anyone that has to do actual work knows it was badly abused. Look at the number of 4 day weekends that were supported because of the abuse, as well as movement of days off if there was a holiday that fell on the off-week. If the new team would look at it for a bit they should come to the conclusion that it is waste of money to retain.
@September 11, 2018 at 7:21 AM I'm not sure where you're working. It may be true at TA-3, but in my areas there are always people there by 8:00 and vehicles still there after 6:00. Walk by any offices in the lab in the ADW and you will see people there all day and many weekends. And don't forget the hundreds of lab employees who travel on Sundays and Fridays every week for work. Every Sunday night the airport is half full of lab employees.
"I'm not sure where you're working. It may be true at TA-3, but in my areas there are always people there by 8:00 and vehicles still there after 6:00. "
Great point TA-3 is the great offender. I think things at TA-55 the parking lots are usually full.
TA-3 is of course where the Admin is housed, there is a huge exodus staring at 3:30pm and by 4pm the road is packed. In fact on any day of the week you need to get paper work done by 3:30pm or wait the next day, starting at 9AM. On every Friday, absolutely nothing can be done, and every other Thursday nothing can be done after 11AM. The place is just nuts. In many cases time cards are due Wed since Thur and Friday there are simply not enough people to around.
What little cars you see in the TA-3 parking lots at 6pm are scientists however the ratio of scientists to non-scientists in TA-3 has dropped dramatically under LANS.
Triad struck Columbus Day and Energy Day from next year’s calendar to comply with the NNSA contract mandate that LANL get 10 paid holidays per year. This wasn’t Triad’s idea. It was in the RFP from the beginning.
This must be NNSA’s idea of how to attract and retain the best minds in the country to live and work in the middle of nowhere, while much of that talent is drawn to urban areas and high tech opportunities. This makes sense if one thinks of employees as expenses to be cut instead of assets to invest in.
Unverified rumor is LANL overall retention is about 40% and TA-55 is about 12%. That kind of turnover must not be nearly bad enough for the NNSA.
>Columbus day and Energy Conservation day stripped from employees.
Hmm, Columbus Day is politically incorrect and should be known as Native peoples being wiped out day. On the other hand Energy Conversation day could be seen as politically correct so I guess it is a push.
>Unverified rumor is LANL overall retention is about 40% and TA-55 is about 12%. That kind of turnover must not be nearly bad >enough for the NNSA
Could you clarify what you mean by retention rate of 40% and 12%. Is this from one year to the next or what or over a 5 year duration? At 12% maybe the Savanah River decision was a good idea.
It would be nice to compare retention rate from one DOE lab to another. In any case both DOE and NNSA sort of live by the motto that people don't matter.
Your retention numbers are wrong. TA-55 has about a 20% attrition rate over the past several years, some years higher, some lower. With massive hiring, staying about even in personnel, maybe slightly lower. If it was 15% retention, programs might as well pack up and go home. Same with your 40% overall number. Although the demographics show ~30% Of personnel are within a few years of retirement. That’s the biggest scare. Losing the Knowledge base and transfer to younger employees.
People come, people go, I think LANL will be just fine.
September 13, 2018 at 10:58 PM
A vacuous platitude that if you were a LANL manager would scare the crap out of anyone who recognizes the requirement for a credible nuclear deterrent. Succession planning is the greatest challenge the NWC faces in the coming decade.
"scare the crap out of anyone who recognizes the requirement for a credible nuclear deterrent."
Anyone? Lets reword you comment a bit and see the results.
- Privatizing the labs should scare the crap out of anyone who recognizes the requirement for a credible nuclear deterrent.
We privatized the labs.
-Making an additional useless layer of manegement for the the labs should scare the crap out of anyone who recognizes the requirement for a credible nuclear deterrent.
We created the NNSA
-Attacking and belittling the lab workforce and calling them cowboys and buttheads should scare the crap out of anyone who recognizes the requirement for a credible nuclear deterrent.
We had Nanos.
-Having a congress ask questions like what is done at LANL that could not be done cheaper and better elsewhere should scare the crap out of anyone who recognizes the requirement for a credible nuclear deterrent.
We had congress people ask just this question while a bumbling 30 year old NNSA official with a business degree stammered that it could cost a few millions dollars to move the lab.
The point is that we have long passed the line about issues that should scare the crap out of anyone who recognizes the requirements for credible nuclear deterrents.
And yes some managers do have such vacuous platitudes about the quality of the workforce. I know of at least one ex-PAD who even bragged about this attitude.
Now the questions are will this change with Triad and how much influence will NNSA have. NNSA certainly does not understand or care about any of these issues at LANL or LLNL. NNSA is only interested in self-preservation of what it does now, which is little work for lots of money and lots of power. For NNSA weak labs with filled of low quality people that will never complain or stand up is exactly what they want and that is indeed something that should scare the crap out of anyone who thinks the labs are valuable.
LANL bloggers still haven't caught on to the fact that they will also donate another day of vacation to the lab "shutdown" Christmas present. I'm actually surprised that the vendictive DOE/NNSA aparatchiks didn't demand that Christmas day be eliminated as well.
Nice try. You managed to blow the spelling of your favorite Russian/English word, "apparatchik" and also the English word "vindictive" was too much for you. A true hero of expressive language.
Nice try. You managed to blow the spelling of your favorite Russian/English word, "apparatchik" and also the English word "vindictive" was too much for you. A true hero of expressive language.
September 15, 2018 at 5:53 PM
Despite the deflection, 5:53 apparently still hasn't caught on. Some really are slow. Frogs in a pot!
The "deflection" was simply to point out your very questionable language skills which might, hopefully, constrain your posting until you can avoid making a (bigger) fool of yourself. All in your own best interests.
25 comments:
So Triad met the federal requirement. Big deal? LANL employees are smart enough to know that it was the Feds who screwed them.
"getting two paid Holidays stripped"
What Triad should really do is dump the 9-80. The lab is empty 7:30AM and the cars start leaving at 3:30pm. Every Friday there is only about 1/3-1/4 the people. I dare anyone...anyone to actually deny this. The idea that people are working 9 hours a day is joke.
I know that there are few exceptions to this, like security forces and some of the more applied or production facilities but for everyplace else this is true and everyone knows this.
I think we can live with two less holidays. Besides a single day holiday is like two days off because the Fridays before any holiday is completely empty, so it will save four days of work.
Read the fine print.
Wow, TRIAD company MEN are already on this blog! See the above posts.
Two holidays is an inexcusable reduction in benefits all while adding three weeks to paid parental leave for female LANL employees.
Blame the Feds, that's easy to do as they are all pretty much morons. Triad could have proposed two floating holidays to replace those taken, however they did not. They are in bed with the NNSA and the employees get brewed, screwed and tattooed! A union would have stopped this non sense years ago,perhaps it's not to late, other benefits will be reduced over time, watch and weep as you snovel in your management positions traveling more than actually working.
What Triad should really do is dump the 9-80.
September 11, 2018 at 7:21 AM
Oh don't worry they will. This is the first phase of Triad chopping away at employee benefits at LANL. They are already chopping away and they haven't even started yet!
7:21 I guess I’ll bite. The parking lots begin to fill up well before 7:00am with people still working after 7:00pm. Fridays generally have far more than half the people present. You are right about one thing, most people do not work 9 hours per day. Some take vacation, some work more, some are on travel (without compensation), some have FMLA, some work nights, weekends etc. I think you need a new hobby besides pretending you understand the LANL work force or their work ethic.
"7:21 I guess I’ll bite. The parking lots begin to fill up well before 7:00am with people still working after 7:00pm. "
Completely and utterly false. The parking lots are completely empty at 5:30pm. At 7 AM it is still empty.
All Fridays are far less than half full, some are down to 1/4 at best, not to mention that by 4PM on a Friday the lots are empty.
" I think you need a new hobby besides pretending you understand the LANL work force or their work ethic."
Look I am a pro LANL person but the 9-80 is completely abused. In fact I have yet to meet anyone who feels that the 9-80 is not abused. Trust me I think I might just have a bit more understanding of the LANL work force ethic than you.
By the way what Technical area do you work in? I suspect that you may have a different perceptive depending on where you work.
Time for a blog challenge!!!!
Ok if 6:02 PM is right there must be lots of of posters who can chime in and agree with him. I say he is not being honest or parks or works in specific part of the lab that this is not an issue.
I do agree with the production facilities. The lots are full by 7:30. Many people arriving before 7 a.m. Orgs that support customers work strict hours. I'm sure the other science-Y parts of the lab come and go as they please.
The whole A or B schedule concept was a disaster, and anyone that has to do actual work knows it was badly abused. Look at the number of 4 day weekends that were supported because of the abuse, as well as movement of days off if there was a holiday that fell on the off-week. If the new team would look at it for a bit they should come to the conclusion that it is waste of money to retain.
SO what two holidays did they lose?
@September 11, 2018 at 7:21 AM
I'm not sure where you're working. It may be true at TA-3, but in my areas there are always people there by 8:00 and vehicles still there after 6:00. Walk by any offices in the lab in the ADW and you will see people there all day and many weekends. And don't forget the hundreds of lab employees who travel on Sundays and Fridays every week for work. Every Sunday night the airport is half full of lab employees.
"I'm not sure where you're working. It may be true at TA-3, but in my areas there are always people there by 8:00 and vehicles still there after 6:00. "
Great point TA-3 is the great offender. I think things at TA-55 the parking lots are usually full.
TA-3 is of course where the Admin is housed, there is a huge exodus staring at 3:30pm and by 4pm the road is packed. In fact on any day of the week you need to get paper work done by 3:30pm or wait the next day, starting at 9AM. On every Friday, absolutely nothing can be done, and every other Thursday nothing can be done after 11AM. The place is just nuts. In many cases time cards are due Wed since Thur and Friday there are simply not enough people to around.
What little cars you see in the TA-3 parking lots at 6pm are scientists however the ratio of scientists to non-scientists in TA-3 has dropped dramatically under LANS.
Columbus day and Energy Conservation day stripped from employees.
Looks like mr “everybody knows” is, once again, wrong. Surprise!
Triad struck Columbus Day and Energy Day from next year’s calendar to comply with the NNSA contract mandate that LANL get 10 paid holidays per year. This wasn’t Triad’s idea. It was in the RFP from the beginning.
This must be NNSA’s idea of how to attract and retain the best minds in the country to live and work in the middle of nowhere, while much of that talent is drawn to urban areas and high tech opportunities. This makes sense if one thinks of employees as expenses to be cut instead of assets to invest in.
Unverified rumor is LANL overall retention is about 40% and TA-55 is about 12%. That kind of turnover must not be nearly bad enough for the NNSA.
>Columbus day and Energy Conservation day stripped from employees.
Hmm, Columbus Day is politically incorrect and should be known as Native peoples being wiped out day. On the other hand Energy Conversation day could be seen as politically correct so I guess it is a push.
>Unverified rumor is LANL overall retention is about 40% and TA-55 is about 12%. That kind of turnover must not be nearly bad >enough for the NNSA
Could you clarify what you mean by retention rate of 40% and 12%. Is this from one year to the next or what or over a 5 year duration? At 12% maybe the Savanah River decision was a good idea.
It would be nice to compare retention rate from one DOE lab to another. In any case both DOE and NNSA sort of live by the motto that people don't matter.
Your retention numbers are wrong. TA-55 has about a 20%
attrition rate over the past several years, some years higher, some lower. With massive hiring, staying
about even in personnel, maybe slightly lower. If it was 15% retention, programs might
as well pack up and go home. Same with your 40% overall number. Although the demographics show ~30%
Of personnel are within a few years of retirement. That’s the biggest scare. Losing the
Knowledge base and transfer to younger employees.
"That’s the biggest scare. Losing the
Knowledge base and transfer to younger employees."
People come, people go, I think LANL will be just fine.
Employment statistics for each site are published every other year in the SSMP. It is available to the public. The numbers above are wrong.
People come, people go, I think LANL will be just fine.
September 13, 2018 at 10:58 PM
A vacuous platitude that if you were a LANL manager would scare the crap out of anyone who recognizes the requirement for a credible nuclear deterrent. Succession planning is the greatest challenge the NWC faces in the coming decade.
"scare the crap out of anyone who recognizes the requirement for a credible nuclear deterrent."
Anyone? Lets reword you comment a bit and see the results.
- Privatizing the labs should scare the crap out of anyone who recognizes the requirement for a credible nuclear deterrent.
We privatized the labs.
-Making an additional useless layer of manegement for the the labs should scare the crap out of anyone who recognizes the requirement for a credible nuclear deterrent.
We created the NNSA
-Attacking and belittling the lab workforce and calling them cowboys and buttheads should scare the crap out of anyone who recognizes the requirement for a credible nuclear deterrent.
We had Nanos.
-Having a congress ask questions like what is done at LANL that could not be done cheaper and better elsewhere should scare the crap out of anyone who recognizes the requirement for a credible nuclear deterrent.
We had congress people ask just this question while a bumbling 30 year old NNSA official with a business degree stammered that it could cost a few millions dollars to move the lab.
The point is that we have long passed the line about issues that should scare the crap out of anyone who recognizes the requirements for credible nuclear deterrents.
And yes some managers do have such vacuous platitudes about the quality of the workforce. I know of at least one ex-PAD who even bragged about this attitude.
Now the questions are will this change with Triad and how much influence will NNSA have. NNSA certainly does not understand or care about any of these issues at LANL or LLNL. NNSA is only interested in self-preservation of what it does now, which is little work for lots of money and lots of power. For NNSA weak labs with filled of low quality people that will never complain or stand up is exactly what they want and that is indeed something that should scare the crap out of anyone who thinks the labs are valuable.
LANL bloggers still haven't caught on to the fact that they will also donate another day of vacation to the lab "shutdown" Christmas present. I'm actually surprised that the vendictive DOE/NNSA aparatchiks didn't demand that Christmas day be eliminated as well.
September 15, 2018 at 8:04 AM
Nice try. You managed to blow the spelling of your favorite Russian/English word, "apparatchik" and also the English word "vindictive" was too much for you. A true hero of expressive language.
Nice try. You managed to blow the spelling of your favorite Russian/English word, "apparatchik" and also the English word "vindictive" was too much for you. A true hero of expressive language.
September 15, 2018 at 5:53 PM
Despite the deflection, 5:53 apparently still hasn't caught on. Some really are slow. Frogs in a pot!
The "deflection" was simply to point out your very questionable language skills which might, hopefully, constrain your posting until you can avoid making a (bigger) fool of yourself. All in your own best interests.
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