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Sunday, June 12, 2022
Give it to Ukraine?
Why are we increasing the NNSA budget by billions? We could give that money to Ukraine to fight Russia.
33 comments:
Anonymous
said...
The stock market is crashing and inflation is going out of control. We cannot afford to send billions to the NNSA labs there is much better places for it to go.
As much as we love Zelenskyy and support his nationalistic cause, we still have to maintain our nuclear deterrent. They’ll be plenty of money and arms flowing to Ukraine in the coming months.
I agree I am not saying we need stop all funding to NNSA I just do think increased funding will do that extra few billions will go far in Ukraine. Also If Ukraine defeats Russia than our nuclear deterrent will no longer be necessary so it seems pretty cost effective.
9:16 before you preach to us about geopolitics, please learn the difference between, “then” and, “than”. It is a small, but necessary step in your education as an American.
People no longer have yellow and blues stickers on their shirts, facebook and bumper stickers. Another fad gone away. My 40 year beyond woke cousin in law had Ukraine stuff everywhere but could not find Ukraine on a map. He was all into getting rid of the police as they cause so much violence but said we should intervene militarily into Ukraine. As of a few weeks ago the all his Ukraine stuff is down and now it is pro abortion and Pride month stuff. Nice guy but he seems to have no opinion of his own whatsoever and he changes his fad in a clockwork manner. Is there some site they go to which tells them what to believe on any given day? What is so odd is that a few months ago he would just talk and talk about Ukraine, now if you try to talk to him about it he sort of freezes and then pivots to abortion. If I try to bring up Ukraine again he just freezes again. It is like talking to a android in a video game where you do something that is not in their programing. He has always been a bit like this but it is way worse now. He is the most extreme version of this I have encountered but many of my social media contacts have all replaced their yellow and blue tags with rainbows.
Not to mention that months ago we where told endlessly that Putin could only be at war for 10 days before his military would collapse or that Russia would overthrow him. After that sanctions and throwing Russia off swift it would mean Russia would have another 10 days before it fell apart. After that Russia only has enough troops for 10 more days, and all their weapons would be gone and so on. Even the dimmest of the dim are starting to realize that the US media was part of the propaganda or they really do not know what was going on. Now think if they got this so utterly wrong, what else do you think they might be wrong about.
"That is completely nonsensical. Ukraine wants to drive Russia out of their country, not "defeat" Russia"
The media is saying over and over again that Ukraine is winning, since they are doing so well I would assume that once the Russians are gone that they will invade Russia and win. What is so hard to understand about that. Russia has lost almost all of its generals, its biggest ship is sunk, and will soon have no bullets.
I would assume that once the Russians are gone that they will invade Russia and win. What is so hard to understand about that. Russia has lost almost all of its generals, its biggest ship is sunk, and will soon have no bullets.
6/16/2022 9:42 AM
Nothing's wrong with that, except it is completely false and just plain bonkers. Other than that, you're good.
"Nothing's wrong with that, except it is completely false and just plain bonkers"
What is bonkers about this. We hear everyday about another Ukrainian victory, about another dead Russian general, a video of a Russian tank being blown up. Are denying that Ukraine is not clearly winning? Also why would Ukraine stop after throwing Russia out, for all the pain they have caused I would think Ukraine would want some kind of pay back. Russia has no money anymore so that must cede some land.
What like Fox news or Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro or other of those conspiracy sites? The news that you can trust has been saying that Russia is losing and is broke at this point. I know you want to believe the "Big Lie" or you are on Russia sides because he got your emperor elected but for the adults in the room we will trust the real certified media not fake news.
Ok, to be more serious. This is an analysis piece so it does not mean it is certain, it is simply laying out arguments based on some observations. I agree with many of the points the author makes. Also simply by numbers Ukraine cannot win, however the work left out several other possibilities. All one has to do is look at Vietnam or Afghanistan to know that it is not always about numbers of people or weapons to eventually wear down an enemy. In fact I can think of at least three ways for a victory for Ukraine.
(1) That there is a possibility that Russia makes only slow progress and their is a coup on Putin by others who want power and use the war as an excuse. They throw him out and leave Ukraine.
(2) The long stalemate, with continued funds pouring into Ukraine, Russia just makes slow advanced and has constant insurgent attacks within the held territory. After so much time the Russians do like the people did in 60s and use LSD and endless protests and eventually Russia just leaves. This may take some time but hell we spent 20 years in Afghanistan before leaving. Putin will be gone long before that.
(3) The most dangerous one is that Ukraine hopes that the longer this drags out that Russia will slip up and bomb a NATO country or attack Finland at which point the odds go in Ukrainian favor. This like in ww2 England probably could not beat Germany but after awhile the US came in. In some sense it is Ukrianes favor for the war to expand so they can bring in new allies.
(4) There is also the unknown unknowns that could be playing out that we are not aware like covert US operations, Chinese operations and so on, a huge winter that effects Russia, rise of independent movements in Russia. A new Covid variant. You may think this is pie in the sky stuff but if you have looked at the history of warfare such rare events happen more often than you think.
Now you can ask what are the odds of these possibilities no one knows, you could also argue about the loss of lives. In any case the odds of these are probably high enough that one could not simply say there is no military path for Ukraine to defeat Russia.
So is this 19fortyfive.com page being paid for by Putin? Now do you understand why we need to have control over the spread of information on the internet. Stuff like this can be posted and someone like you who is not educated enough will read and say "this is true I read in on the internet" Is this a real news source or on the endless fake news that we need to get rid of. Oh, and do not come back with this 1st amendment crap. They did not have the internet in 1780.
Scooby deleted my post supporting the First Amendment. I wonder why? Does he not support the Constitution of the United States? Why not? The First Amendment isn't "crap." It protects from government intrusion rights of religion, speech, the press, assembly, and protest, all in a mere 45 words. It is the most valuable protector of our freedoms (not granted by the government but inherent in our existence) that was ever invented.
The First Amendment isn't "crap" until it's repealed, it is the law of he land. It will never be repealed so you are pissing in the wind.
6/19/2022 5:29 PM
I do not mean the 1st amendment is crap. What I mean is that there are bad faith actors that argue that the first amendment gives them the right to tell lies, spread misinformation or use hate speech and any time you try to fix it they scream "free speech" or fist amendment rather than actually trying to defend their words. I and many scholars claim the 1st amendment does not give you the right to harm others. For example you should be allowed say Covid is conspiracy or vaccines are dangerous, Fauci is lizard. You should not be allowed to repeat known lies that Russia puts out, people like Alex Jones and his followers should be allowed to have have platforms. People like Trump should not be allowed to make false claims about election fraud. We should argue these issues and you should not just go "but my 1st amendment rights. " The 1st amendment is about protecting speech that is true not false or hate speech.
So you think "mainstream journalists" are experts in war analysis? How about seeking out some people with actual experience and knowledge about war for their opinion?
You still don't understand the First Amendment. "Congress shall pass no law..." is the first step to understanding. Speech that is true does not need protecting. Speech that you think is false or misguided, or more likely, that you don't like, is what is being protected by the First Amendment. You don't get to decide what people can say. Simple.
Mainstream journals are now conceding that Ukraine is losing and May have to accept a peace deal that give up a lot of land. Is this misinformation?
6/22/2022 7:32 AM
Ukriane must win. This war cannot go on we either send more money or send troops. I do not think people understand what is at stake here. If we let Russia get away with this then they rain havoc on the world, invade Finland, the Baltic states, they will do their shenanigans again which could let Trump win in 2024. We cannot let this stand. We better get this war going.
So you think "mainstream journalists" are experts in war analysis? How about seeking out some people with actual experience and knowledge about war for their opinion?
6/22/2022 7:02 PM
Exactly I know some friends who where in Iraq and they all say Ukraine is winning. I have seen generals on CNN saying how Ukraine is winning. I watch some blogs of Afghan vets who say Ukraine is winning. So you are 100% correct that the people with actual war experience or who have played lost of Call of Duty are telling us the Ukrainians are winning. Now the only issue is that there are many generals and war vets saying that it is not clear what is going on or that Russia is slowly winning. So it is push, I think I will go with CNN.
Seriously dude what do you mean by expert in war analysis? Do such people exist, I keep seeing retired Generals on Fox, CNN, MSNBC , NPR who say absolutely nothing, I mean really nothing. I am not sure if these guys are just as dumb as they come across, know that they cannot say anything intelligent on MSM as no one would understand, are just trying to be as vague as possible so no one can pin them down. Who are these mystery war experts you are talking about because I never seen one on any MSM.
The MSM interview with all these "war experts" all go like this.
Reporter: Welcome to MSNV, I am your host, Danny Dimwitt, and tonights guess is retired General Karl Clulels, welcome general can you give us your analysis of the war.
General: Thanks Dan, we are all very impressed with how hard the Ukrainians are fighting. The Russians never expected such resistance, we need to keep sending supplies.
Reporter, right and what do the Ukrainians do now.
General: The Ukrainians are very tough and Putin thought it would be easy. The Russians are losing tanks and men. We should keep sending in supplies so Ukraine can take this fight to Putin.
Reporter. Do you have any insights you can share with us.
General, The Ukrainians well we can see are very tough and Putin underestimated them. They are losing tanks and men. We should continue sending in supplies so Ukraine so they can win this.
Reporter, Thank you General your years of expert war analysis give us a much clear picture as to what is going on. Do you have any last thoughts General?
General: The Ukrainians are very tough and Putin thought it would be easy. They are losing tanks and men. We should keep sending in supplies so Ukraine can take this fight Putin.
There it is, the signal we needed to end freedom of speech. Time to cancel free speech, the second amendment, and the rest of the constitution. We need to use technology to regulate what people are saying and thinking, and to control those who are saying or thinking things that are not in accordance with the state's mandates, which will be easily findable through your search engine or through cable news, except Trucker Karlson.
Russian Troops in Ukraine Face ‘Extraordinary’ Casualty Rates: U.K. Intelligence As the war in Ukraine finishes its fourth month, Russian losses appear to be reaching unsustainable levels as Western officials fear a grinding, bloody war of attrition.
So we have USNEWS.com versus nbcnews.com which one is right? According to the MSM poker rules a UNSEWS.com beats and nbcnews.com story, so hand over the jackpot you just lost and Ukraine wins!
I think it goes NYT beats CNN, USNEWs which beats MSNBC, which in some cases beats NPR, and Fox has no value. I forgot the rules but you can look them up.
I say stay the course, keep giving money to Ukraine onward to victory!!!!
33 comments:
The stock market is crashing and inflation is going out of control. We cannot afford to send billions to the NNSA labs there is much better places for it to go.
As much as we love Zelenskyy and support his nationalistic cause, we still have to maintain our nuclear deterrent. They’ll be plenty of money and arms flowing to Ukraine in the coming months.
6/14/2022 6:53 AM
I agree I am not saying we need stop all funding to NNSA I just do think increased funding will do that extra few billions will go far in Ukraine. Also If Ukraine defeats Russia than our nuclear deterrent will no longer be necessary so it seems pretty cost effective.
Don’t be fooled by Russian battlefield victories:
https://www.newsweek.com/dont-fooled-what-happened-severodonetsk-putin-losing-war-1715460
9:16 before you preach to us about geopolitics, please learn the difference between, “then” and, “than”. It is a small, but necessary step in your education as an American.
https://www.newsweek.com/dont-fooled-what-happened-severodonetsk-putin-losing-war-1715460
6/14/2022 2:09 PM
Makes total sense, I take it back we do not need to give any money to Ukraine if Russia is already losing.
People no longer have yellow and blues stickers on their shirts, facebook and bumper stickers. Another fad gone away. My 40 year
beyond woke cousin in law had Ukraine stuff everywhere but could not find Ukraine on a map. He was all into getting rid of the police as they cause so much violence but said we should intervene militarily into Ukraine. As of a few weeks ago the all his Ukraine stuff is down and now it is pro abortion and Pride month stuff. Nice guy but he seems to have no opinion of his own whatsoever and he changes his fad in a clockwork manner. Is there some site they go to which tells them what to believe on any given day? What is so odd is that a few months ago he would just talk and talk about Ukraine, now if you try to talk to him about it he sort of freezes and then pivots to abortion. If I try to bring up Ukraine again he just freezes again. It is like talking to a android in a video game where you do something that is not in their programing. He has always been a bit like this but it is way worse now. He is the most extreme version of this I have encountered but many of my social media contacts have all replaced their yellow and blue tags with rainbows.
Not to mention that months ago we where told endlessly that Putin could only be at war for 10 days before his military would collapse or that Russia would overthrow him. After that sanctions and throwing Russia off swift it would mean Russia would have another 10 days before it fell apart. After that Russia only has enough troops for 10 more days, and all their weapons would be gone and so on.
Even the dimmest of the dim are starting to realize that the US media was part of the propaganda or they really do not know what was going on. Now think if they got this so utterly wrong, what else do you think they might be wrong about.
Also If Ukraine defeats Russia than our nuclear deterrent will no longer be necessary...
6/14/2022 9:16 AM
That is completely nonsensical. Ukraine wants to drive Russia out of their country, not "defeat" Russia. Get a clue.
"That is completely nonsensical. Ukraine wants to drive Russia out of their country, not "defeat" Russia"
The media is saying over and over again that Ukraine is winning, since they are doing so well I would assume that once the Russians are gone that they will invade Russia and win. What is so hard to understand about that. Russia has lost almost all of its generals, its biggest ship is sunk, and will soon have no bullets.
I would assume that once the Russians are gone that they will invade Russia and win. What is so hard to understand about that. Russia has lost almost all of its generals, its biggest ship is sunk, and will soon have no bullets.
6/16/2022 9:42 AM
Nothing's wrong with that, except it is completely false and just plain bonkers. Other than that, you're good.
"Nothing's wrong with that, except it is completely false and just plain bonkers"
What is bonkers about this. We hear everyday about another Ukrainian victory, about another dead Russian general, a video of a Russian tank being blown up. Are denying that Ukraine is not clearly winning? Also why would Ukraine stop after throwing Russia out, for all the pain they have caused I would think Ukraine would want some kind of pay back. Russia has no money anymore so that must cede some land.
5:11 Don’t bother; he’s too far gone.
Russia has no money anymore so that must cede some land.
6/17/2022 9:16 AM
Once again completely false. Try keeping up with actual news.
Try keeping up with actual news.
6/17/2022 6:05 PM
What like Fox news or Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro or other of those conspiracy sites? The news that you can trust has been saying that Russia is losing and is broke at this point. I know you want to believe the "Big Lie" or you are on Russia sides because he got your emperor elected but for the adults in the room we will trust the real certified media not fake news.
Sorry:
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/06/there-is-no-military-path-for-ukraine-to-defeat-russia/
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/06/there-is-no-military-path-for-ukraine-to-defeat-russia/
6/18/2022 5:19 AM
Ok, to be more serious. This is an analysis piece so it does not mean it is certain, it is simply laying out arguments based on some observations. I agree with many of the points the author makes. Also simply by numbers Ukraine cannot win, however the work left out several other possibilities. All one has to do is look at Vietnam or Afghanistan to know that it is not always about numbers of people or weapons to eventually wear down an enemy. In fact I can think of at least three ways for
a victory for Ukraine.
(1) That there is a possibility that Russia makes only slow progress and their is a coup on Putin by others who want power and use the war as an excuse. They throw him out and leave Ukraine.
(2) The long stalemate, with continued funds pouring into Ukraine, Russia just makes slow advanced and has constant insurgent attacks within the held territory. After so much time the Russians do like the people did in 60s and use LSD and endless protests and eventually Russia just leaves. This may take some time but hell we spent 20 years in Afghanistan before leaving. Putin will be gone long before that.
(3) The most dangerous one is that Ukraine hopes that the longer this drags out that Russia will slip up and bomb a NATO country or attack Finland at which point the odds go in Ukrainian favor. This like in ww2 England probably could not beat Germany but after awhile the US came in. In some sense it is Ukrianes favor for the war to expand so they can bring in new allies.
(4) There is also the unknown unknowns that could be playing out that we are not aware like covert US operations, Chinese operations and so on, a huge winter that effects Russia, rise of independent movements in Russia. A new Covid variant. You may think this is pie in the sky stuff but if you have looked at the history of warfare such rare events happen more often than you think.
Now you can ask what are the odds of these possibilities no one knows, you could also argue about the loss of lives. In any case the odds of these are probably high enough that one could not simply say there is no military path for Ukraine to defeat Russia.
https://asiatimes.com/2022/06/biden-stares-down-from-ukraine-economic-ledge/
Sorry:
https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/06/there-is-no-military-path-for-ukraine-to-defeat-russia/
6/18/2022 5:19 AM
So is this 19fortyfive.com page being paid for by Putin? Now do you understand why we need to have control over the spread of information on the internet. Stuff like this can be posted and someone like you who is not educated enough will read and say "this is true I read in on the internet" Is this a real news source or on the endless fake news that we need to get rid of. Oh, and do not come back with this 1st amendment crap. They did not have the internet in 1780.
6/19/2022 11:42 AM
The First Amendment isn't "crap" until it's repealed, it is the law of he land. It will never be repealed so you are pissing in the wind.
Scooby deleted my post supporting the First Amendment. I wonder why? Does he not support the Constitution of the United States? Why not? The First Amendment isn't "crap." It protects from government intrusion rights of religion, speech, the press, assembly, and protest, all in a mere 45 words. It is the most valuable protector of our freedoms (not granted by the government but inherent in our existence) that was ever invented.
The First Amendment isn't "crap" until it's repealed, it is the law of he land. It will never be repealed so you are pissing in the wind.
6/19/2022 5:29 PM
I do not mean the 1st amendment is crap. What I mean is that there are bad faith actors that argue that the first amendment gives them the right to tell lies, spread misinformation or use hate speech and any time you try to fix it they scream "free speech" or fist amendment rather than actually trying to defend their words. I and many scholars claim the 1st amendment does not give you the right to harm others. For example you should be allowed say Covid is conspiracy or vaccines are dangerous, Fauci is lizard. You should not be allowed to repeat known lies that Russia puts out, people like Alex Jones and his followers should be allowed to have have platforms. People like Trump should not be allowed to make false claims about election fraud. We should argue these issues and you should not just go "but my 1st amendment rights. " The 1st amendment is about protecting speech that is true not false or hate speech.
Mainstream journals are now conceding that Ukraine is losing and May have to accept a peace deal that give up a lot of land. Is this misinformation?
6/22/2022 7:32 AM
So you think "mainstream journalists" are experts in war analysis? How about seeking out some people with actual experience and knowledge about war for their opinion?
6/21/2022 8:31 AM
You still don't understand the First Amendment. "Congress shall pass no law..." is the first step to understanding. Speech that is true does not need protecting. Speech that you think is false or misguided, or more likely, that you don't like, is what is being protected by the First Amendment. You don't get to decide what people can say. Simple.
Mainstream journals are now conceding that Ukraine is losing and May have to accept a peace deal that give up a lot of land. Is this misinformation?
6/22/2022 7:32 AM
Ukriane must win. This war cannot go on we either send more money or send troops. I do not think people understand what is at stake here. If we let Russia get away with this then they rain havoc on the world, invade Finland, the Baltic states, they will do their shenanigans again which could let Trump win in 2024. We cannot let this stand. We better get this war going.
So you think "mainstream journalists" are experts in war analysis? How about seeking out some people with actual experience and knowledge about war for their opinion?
6/22/2022 7:02 PM
Exactly I know some friends who where in Iraq and they all say Ukraine is winning. I have seen generals on CNN saying how Ukraine is winning. I watch some blogs of Afghan vets who say Ukraine is winning. So you are 100% correct that the people with actual war experience or who have played lost of Call of Duty are telling us the Ukrainians are winning. Now the only issue is that there are many generals and war vets saying that it is not clear what is going on or that Russia is slowly winning. So it is push, I think I will go with CNN.
Seriously dude what do you mean by expert in war analysis? Do such people exist, I keep seeing retired Generals on Fox, CNN, MSNBC , NPR who say absolutely nothing, I mean really nothing. I am not sure if these guys are just as dumb as they come across, know that they cannot say anything intelligent on MSM as no one would understand, are just trying to be as vague as possible so no one can pin them down. Who are these mystery war experts you are talking about because I never seen one on any MSM.
The MSM interview with all these "war experts" all go like this.
Reporter: Welcome to MSNV, I am your host, Danny Dimwitt, and tonights guess is retired General Karl Clulels, welcome general can you give us your analysis of the war.
General: Thanks Dan, we are all very impressed with how hard the Ukrainians are fighting. The Russians never expected such resistance, we need to keep sending supplies.
Reporter, right and what do the Ukrainians do now.
General: The Ukrainians are very tough and Putin thought it would be easy. The Russians are losing tanks and men. We should keep sending in supplies so Ukraine can take this fight to Putin.
Reporter. Do you have any insights you can share with us.
General, The Ukrainians well we can see are very tough and Putin underestimated them. They are losing tanks and men. We should continue sending in supplies so Ukraine so they can win this.
Reporter, Thank you General your years of expert war analysis give us a much clear picture as to what is going on. Do you have any last thoughts General?
General: The Ukrainians are very tough and Putin thought it would be easy. They are losing tanks and men. We should keep sending in supplies so Ukraine can take this fight Putin.
Too late?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-advances-lysychansk-ukraine-donbas-setback-rcna34695
There it is, the signal we needed to end freedom of speech. Time to cancel free speech, the second amendment, and the rest of the constitution. We need to use technology to regulate what people are saying and thinking, and to control those who are saying or thinking things that are not in accordance with the state's mandates, which will be easily findable through your search engine or through cable news, except Trucker Karlson.
Too late?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-advances-lysychansk-ukraine-donbas-setback-rcna34695
I will take you news story and raise you with another news story from June 22 that Russia is losing.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2022-06-22/russian-troops-in-ukraine-face-extraordinary-casualty-rates-u-k-intelligence
Russian Troops in Ukraine Face ‘Extraordinary’ Casualty Rates: U.K. Intelligence
As the war in Ukraine finishes its fourth month, Russian losses appear to be reaching unsustainable levels as Western officials fear a grinding, bloody war of attrition.
So we have USNEWS.com versus nbcnews.com which one is right? According to the MSM poker rules a UNSEWS.com beats and nbcnews.com story, so hand over the jackpot you just lost and Ukraine wins!
I think it goes NYT beats CNN, USNEWs which beats MSNBC, which in some cases beats NPR, and Fox has no value. I forgot the rules but you can look them up.
I say stay the course, keep giving money to Ukraine onward to victory!!!!
I say stay the course, keep giving money to Ukraine onward to victory!!!!
6/23/2022 3:11 PM
I think Ukraine would rather have had those MIG29s than our worthless dollars.
I think Ukraine would rather have had those MIG29s than our worthless dollars.
6/30/2022 4:42 PM
Incredibly dumb statement. US dollars are in no way worthless to Ukraine, or to anyone else. If you think so, why don't you go out and burn yours?
colloquium series for the Institute of Materials Science and
we are trying to get some exceptional speakers preferably before Sept 30th
Agreed, send the money, send the MIGS, send the tanks, send it all. Nothing less than total victory over Russian fascists.
6/30/2022 6:01 PM shows a total lack of understanding of the realities of warfare. MIGs kill Russians, dollars don't.
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