Sunday, February 24, 2008
Rumor is, Random Drug Testing Starts at LLNL
I was talking to a few people at LANL today and they heard that drug testing will start soon at LLNL, that is right after they determine what the penalty for being positive of an illegal drug will be.I'll bet it will be immediate dismissal without a chance to fight the finding. Don't forget, there are many ways to find drugs in your body and not all of them are blood and urine. So if you're a user, the VSSOP is still available. Might want to think about that. Notification could come on a moments notice and without warning.
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No rumor required; this is by direction of the Secretary of Energy.
30% per year of L/Q population to be tested. Penalty for failure will include a last chance agreement, which is better than current LANL practice (which is you are fired).
Why are they letting these people off so light. You would think it would be out the gate in handcuffs to do a little time in the big house. They all know what not to do.
I said: "will include." If you are so inclined, you can run them out the gate. You must be ULM...
February 24, 2008 7:54 PM
No ULM here. Just figured that showing all dopeheads the gate would the corect thing to do. You can have them at your facility.
"...to do a little time in the big house.."
For a doobie? Where you from Frankestien, Crystalnacht?
This is California, not Brownshirted Munich
Let he who is without sin.....
Does anybody know if too much viagra will cause you to flunk the piss test?
6:17 PM,
LANL blog had quite the discussion on this. The false positive aspect was brought up.
You really want to handcuff a Q cleared scientist who had too many seeds on his lunch burger?
February 24, 2008 9:14 PM
You better darn well tell them when you take the test before they discover it. I'd be preparing an extensive list directly after you finish reading this and have it ready to go. All drugs, legal or not.
9:04. Get your history right. Krystalnacht was about vandalism and murder, not drug tests.
All those forms you filled out for getting that Q clearance included a lot of words giving away a lot of your human rights. Or did you not notice that little fact? DOE can and will run you through the mill and say you failed no matter what the "facts" are if they want to. Drug test, lie detector, witnesses, whatever they care to use. No real protection from them faking the results in their favor either.
This has been true for a long time, so how about worrying about something a bit more timely?
This is not really such a bad thing.
It is illegal to do drugs- and the people who do so anyway are often iffy on performance. My group (LANL) lost a coke head/drunk, who was hardly ever working... And the infamous meth-house girl would have been caught by drug tests, maybe at hiring before she did any harm.
If hundreds have to go from the National labs- might as well start with the dopers.
"This is not really such a bad thing."
Yes it is, because it is wasting money and impacting morale.
I am not aware of any security professional across the NWC that would say this is where they would spend their next incremental dollar for security.
February 26, 2008 12:43 PM
It's a CYI thing and a means of cutting people in a time of need. That need is now. Better shave your head so they can't get a hair sample.
I think it's interesting that our Director told us prior to the transition and during that FTE's would only be tested for just cause. Not just because........I've not signed any contract with the DOE that includes mandatory drug testing. It's an invasion of my privacy,I've not given them any cause.
Anyone think that there may be a class action suite brought against management for "bait and switch?" Our contract with the new contractor that I signed then should be voided, my standing with UCRP reinstated, then I or anyone should be allowed to make a decision to sign on or not, under the new rules.
Good luck on that law suit - you'll need it. DOE makes the rules about clearances, not LLNS ( pronounced "illness" ).
Protesting too much about it is probably "due cause" right now.
Next stop - polygraphs.
"I've not signed any contract with the DOE that includes mandatory drug testing. It's an invasion of my privacy,I've not given them any cause."
Actually, it's your employment contract. And it's not the Director, but the Secretary of Energy that decided this one.
Again- I tend to agree that once someone agrees to the privileges and responsibilites of a Q clearance, you've given up many of your rights to privacy. I disagree that all 'dopers' are poor performers.
Mostly, I think that its ironic that someone who works in the business of weapons and/or surveillance (thus, indirectly in the business of intelligence and counterintelligence) believes that they should have some kind of special right to privacy. You're in the wrong line of work!
We can rehash it all here or save time by reading it at in the LANL Blog (May 2007)(http://lanl-the-rest-of-the-story.blogspot.com/2007/05/lanl-enforces-strict-drug-policy-by.html). BTW, they've been under drug testing for quite awhile and it seems that worst fears (poppy seed role for breakfast = positive for illegal = instant termination) never happened. Like LANL, we've had drug testing for DOT and HRP workers for years. Get over it - move on. If you're a drug user, be afraid, be very afraid!
BTW - when the LLNS polygraph rumor gains momentum here's the LANL blog experience with it: http://lanl-the-rest-of-the-story.blogspot.com/2007/05/truth-about-lie-detectors-by.html. Another much ado about nothing regardless of the lousy science behind lie detection.
If you do a little background research on where the drug testing is coming from, you'll find that congress wanted it and passed the law around TEN years ago. DOE, NNSA, and the labs seem to me have done an excellent job of dragging their feet, likely because they really don't want a pervasive random testing program. Read the policy. It's reassuring that they aren't have a problem with false positives at LANL, and you can be assured that if there was any hint of that, you would see conspiracy claims on the LANL blog......
In almost 10 years of being in an organization in which most of us are subjected to drug testing, we have not had one false positive--just one pothead.
If you want to do drugs, find a job somewhere else.
Keep in mind that the drug tests will not only expose "druggies" - it will also show legal drugs that are prescribed or OTC. For instance the diet drug known as phentermine will show up as an amphetimine or methanphetamine. It is a legal FTA approved drug prescribed bt doctors. So even those that bare bnot abusing weed or crack can be found guilty.
So I thought I would see if LLNL did drug testing since I "agreed" to leave LANL after testing positive.
FYI, LANL's program is more law enforcement than DOE. They do way more testing and are quick to react.
So long NNSA
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