Unofficial numbers: 190
Tri-Valley Cares needs to be on this if they aren't already. We need to make sure that NNSA and LLNL does not make good on promises to pursue such stupid ideas as doing Plutonium experiments on NIF. The stupidity arises from the fact that a huge population is placed at risk in the short and long term. Why do this kind of experiment in a heavily populated area? Only a moron would push that kind of imbecile area. Do it somewhere else in the god forsaken hills of Los Alamos. Why should the communities in the Bay Area be subjected to such increased risk just because the lab's NIF has failed twice and is trying the Hail Mary pass of doing an SNM experiment just to justify their existence? Those Laser EoS techniques and the people analyzing the raw data are all just BAD anyways. You know what comes next after they do the experiment. They'll figure out that they need larger samples. More risk for the local population. Stop this imbecilic pursuit. They wan...
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What's the source of the number ?
If final number near 190, will George pull the trigger for ISP ?
Remember that this is not the official LLNS site and we publish what we hear when we mingle with a variety of people.
If they knew they needed to can 750 people to balance the books and only 190-210 people took the VSSOP you can plan on an ISP. My guess is that George has to make the 750 this year by June, or the $69M that he's already in the hole for in FY09 will trigger even more people to go. If I were you I'd be planning on a RIF every year from now on until the budgets are higher and LLNL has a known mission. As it stands now, I don't see anything new coming in the door. It's the SOSDD with no light at the end of the tunnel.
They don't have time. They have a fixed pot of money for one year and they're in the red.More people must go now and an ISP is the only way to accomplish this.
As far as attrition goes, you're going to find at least 49% of the old people will now have to stay at LLNL until 62 years old for social security to kick in.
The economy and loss of UCRP at their age leaves them no choice. For all the new hires, well, a long service life with expensive mediacl cost is what they've to look forward too. Those people will be working well into their 70's just as my grandparents did. What a shame. Isn't progress a wonderful thing?
The carrot of a wonderful life at retirement based on a thriving economy is being dangled once again in the name of a 401k. Do you really believe it? Will they jerk that and SS from you too when it comes time to collect?
Stay at there and they will either kill your career or kill you. Stress, poorly maintained equipment, toxic waste they won't clean up anymore, someone going postal....
No job is worth this cost, no job.
To me this spells ISP's a comin! It looks as if some people that post here were correct but while we're at it let's confirm a new rumor that I heard today even though I do not believe it. The rumor is, 750 + signed up for VSSOP at the last minute. Any of you 111 people or LLNS ULM going to confirm that or just be your normal secretive selves?
Next, I wish people would stop over dramatizing. It's a layoff. It isn't anybodies favorite thing, but it happens fairly commonly in the rest of the world.
And finally, good luck to everyone who is working hard to be a positive part of the future of LLNL. Hopefully we'll all make it through.
Oh, but it's "just a layoff". Just people's whole careers down the toilet. Just someone's livelihood gone. No need for drama. After all, you've still got your job, and it's so easy to ignore those colleagues around you slowly going missing. In the words of the immortal Eric Cartman, "Screw you guys!"
They should have been the ones to go and many talented SLs and Flexes kept!
Anyone who has lived in the "real" world who looks at some of these messages is going to think "What a bunch of spoiled out of touch cry babies". And they would be dead on.
I don't think you understand. We gave up good salaries to come here for the UC affiliation ,the job security, the retirement, and to serve our country. It was a way of life, not just a job.
I agree, but that phase of our live is over forever as it is for everyone else except those at the top. Now the question is, will we be here come tomorrow.
So what's the real number of people that took the VSSOP and when does the ISP start. What day do the people from the ISP have to be gone and out the gate for good. How about it ULM, publish the darn list. We know you already have it in your possession and have had for months. get with the program and give these people advanced notice.
They've had a list since December of know who they wanted to get rid of. All anyone can hope for is hope those on that list took the VSSOP. If they didn't they're still going to get rid of them very soon, especially knwowing that LLNL is already $69M in the hole for FY-09. ULM needs to clean the house quick. Hold on for more rocky road.