FURLOUGHS? WCI AND COMPS rolled out thier furlough plans this week.
aws work week will be canceled and all employees will be on 5day 8hr schedule with furlough days on friday
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aws work week will be canceled and all employees will be on 5day 8hr schedule with furlough days on friday
Note: This is being contributed anonymously. Scooby has no way of confirming this.
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I do mean to sound like a jerk but
this goes through that at LANL it will not have any effect on the amount of work that is done. On any
Friday at best there is 30% of the workforce and most put in about half a day. I always hated the 9/80 policy because it ended up being abused so badly. There other thing is that very few of the
people put in 9 hours on the regular work days either.
The lab starts to empty out 4pm.
Also good luck trying to get anything done on a Friday.
So in essence all Furloughs would is to pay for people to work the hours they work. Now I know some people work the full 9 hours a day and their Fridays (I am one of those) but lets be honest this is only a very small number. Also people say how great the 9/80 is so
they can deal with emergencies. All
I have to say to that is everyone else has those problems and that is what vacation, sick and family sick days are for.
I have a sad prediction that if Furloughs are actually done that
Thursday will be the new Friday.
Try to remember that furloughs are to prevent lay-offs so the other option is not as good.
On a personal note I spent 2 hrs at the State disability office (for an upcoming surgery).
If you have any complaints about the Lab or Parney just go sit there for 2 hrs and you will never complain about your job again, ever...I promise.
Besides mangling the English language, could you please provide some factual evidence for your statements like "On any
Friday at best there is 30% of the workforce and most put in about half a day"
or
Also good luck trying to get anything done on a Friday
I really object to moronic comments like yours. A lot of time I am on travel, working on holidays and not being compensated for this. And then a moron like you comes along and claims there is no work being done on a Friday. I have the suspicion you must be part of the managment team, which is on a 8-5 schedule.
And for crying out loud, would you please explain the meaning of :
All I have to say to that is everyone else has those problems and that is what vacation, sick and family sick days are for.
What problems are you referring to?
The sick days and family sick days come out of the same pool. So it seems to me that you don't even work at LANL.
"I really object to moronic comments like yours. A lot of time I am on travel, working on holidays and not being compensated for this. And then a moron like you comes along and claims there is no work being done on a Friday. I have the suspicion you must be part of the managment team, which is on a 8-5 schedule."
First of all I said that there are some people that do work the hours and then some. If you are one of those than great. However you have to be honest here that on any given Friday the lab is less than half full. All you have to do is count your coworkers in you group or ect. As for the 8-5 schedule how
is that the lab is mostly empty by 5:15pm, in fact the car lines starts at 4.0pm. Sure some people come in at 7AM but people are simply not working 9 hour days. Again just look at you group come in at 8pm and see how many people leave at 6pm. The fact is that there is a large fraction of people who put in 8 hour days and still get every other Friday off.
On top of that I would make a good bet there are people who take every Friday off. Try getting some paper work done on a Friday.
Again if your work your full hours than you too should be very angry at what you see.
I admit that I am only using anecdotal evidence which is not proof. I think it would be very valuable if some kind of measure where done on this. Maybe something like a few Friday walk-arounds where a head count is taken. You could couple this with a few Wed walk-arounds at 8:05AM and than at 8.15AM. Make sure the sample is large enough and then let the data decide.
Fact of human life: whatever rule is not measured or enforced, is violated. Such is our ethics as a society.
Fact of human life: whatever rule is not measured or enforced, is violated. Such is our ethics as a society.
January 12, 2013 6:39 PM"
The 9/80 has to go on the other hand furloughs would make it fair.
Although it will not be fair to the those the really do the 9/80 as it was intended. I am really surprised that the who 9/80 thing has not gotten LANL in trouble for the way I think it is abused.
Most people (on 9/80 or not) are gone by 5PM! Just open your eyes and see who is abusing 9/80.
With all the nastiness LANL has been through in the last 7 years, it's been the better performers who's been leaving. They are marketable and have options, you see. This resulted in a "loser-heavy" organization. The losers don't have other job offer and will hold on to their cushy jobs. They will never be voluntarily separated and can only be kicked out in targeted layoffs.
As for the management, that part is completely obvious. In the last ten years, the ratio of managers to productive people has skyrocketed, we've seen that graphs on this blog. Plus, the managers' salaries have gone through the roof. The director's compensation for instance has at least tripled. Is the present director really three times better than Sig Hecker?
Perhaps that's part of upper management's plan? I fully suspect they will decide that *they* are soooo important that no cut back in hours will be required for upper management positions.
This may be controversial, but uniformly applied furloughs are not the best thing for the Labs. A better way which addresses not only the short-term cuts but also the long-term health of the Labs is a combination of layoffs, targeted to low-performers, and some serious pruning of the management ranks."
And just who will decide who is a
low-performer? Your opinion of a low-performer is just that an opinion. Many people do many different things at the labs, and they need a variety of skills and a variety of skill levels. Many of these so called high-performers who left that the labs may simply not have been team players or where more interested in advancing their own careers rather than sacrificing to serve the labs.
January 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM"
You are a very naive person. If you where a manager you too would want to keep your high salary and security. Perhaps you did not play the game right and could not get into management. Besides what is for the greater good is a matter of perception. If the taxpayer sees the management is good than who says it is not? Maybe just maybe management is doing good and you are not the one willing to see this for greater good. Did you ever think about that. Welcome to the real world where everyone is out for themselves.
Do you think the tax payer would be happy with LLNL and LANL lab managers ?
In what way ?
Agreed, it's too much to expect an overpaid, incompetent manager to suddenly grow a conscience and "self-deport". But the people higher up, who are devising the furloughs, have the power to do it.
Perhaps you did not play the game right and could not get into management.
You mean, I wasn't a moron enough to fellate the moron above me to be promoted into the ranks of morons? Indeed.
What's interesting is that over the years this has led to long chains of managers servicing each other. Which is the real reason why the idea that ULMs could prune the lower management ranks won't ever fly here.
This is, after all, the planned outcome of half of the staff on alternating 9/80 schedules, no?
I like 9/80s cause I can get lots of work done on Fridays getting ready for the following week, whereas before the alternate schedules, I needed to work nights and Saturdays to avoid the manager drama, coworker demands and administrative drama to focus and be really productive. This was still a compromise because by then I was quite tired and less creative or productive.
Quiet Fridays devote one workday per week for productive output.
Which lab is proposing furloughs?
Are the issues over alternate work weeks are different for the two labs?
The confusion of content is endless, like listening to a party-line.
Suggest a discpline like under the title
LANL - "Disaster strikes again, rumors fly"
LLNL - "Furloughs underway"
BOTH LABS - "hemlines rising as spring approaches, hopes rise"
Thanks
In times were demands are manageable, I take the planned Friday and Saturday off, and may even steal back the occasional Monday.
The flexibility allow both higher productivity and a fairer relationship with my family, who after all, I am the sole support.
When Ed finds out about this, he will cancel 9/80. Oh? He already did? Yep, Ego is more important than productive work.
As an example, when a subordinate was given a parking ticket, which was to come with another lecture from me, I give them and me a break, an exception and happily toss the notice in the trash, reporting back.
"Mission accomplished."
But that is one counter example. Excessive oversight resulting from nungate and LANL radiological release etc etc has impacted how work gets done at LLNL. But it is a rational response involving needed oversight, and has the unfortunate consequence of increasing the cost of getting work done. That added cost goes into the decision for whether or not it is even worth it to continue that line of worth. We have to consider the possibility that at this time and environment, that there are better places to put tax-dollars to work. Just a possibility.
Once again, the rest of the lab takes the hit...to support the golden child NIF.
I heard one difficulty was how to manage the time keeping of the required changes. The LITE system would have to be altered. As an alternative, I have heard that simply cutting everyone's pay by 10% would accomplish the savings while still keeping people at the site. Technically it accomplishes the same thing but there are probably rules and regulations that prevent the cut in pay but non payment for a forced day(s) off is probably easier to defend. Personally, I'd rather have the furlough day off.
This thread is about the *furlough* plan announced at a number of all-hands recently at LLNL and how they will impact us:
1) Take home pay
2) Pension YOS credit
3) Pension HAPC
4) ?????
That's what we're trying to discuss here.
Many of you can see these impacts already at the lab. For example the slow dismantling of HEAF capabilities for instance. Loyal supporter of NIF and at the same time, a victim of policies to prop up NIF. Not saying its malicious or anything like that. It is just the reality you are facing. HEAF may be gone or shriveled to the point that it has to be integrated with other orphan programs in so many years. WFO opportunities defenestrated in the process.