If you take the VSP, you will still be able to collect unemployment. When you file for unemployement, they will check with Lab HR and ask if you were terminate or quit, and HR will say you were terminated. That's it, no other checks.
Yes its a loop hole, but it makes some sense. You could quit right now and not get the VSP severence pay. Take the VSP you are really agreeing to being fired - in exchange for the payout. To the government you are still being fired, and entitled to unemployment benefits.
If it was a VSIP it might be different. But a VSP is the same as a forced RIF (from unemployment standpoint), difference is employees self select instead of management.
Can we some confirmation of this from any of the "barracks lawyers" in the audience? A real lawyer would work too I suppose.
April 28, 2013 at 8:44 AM
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April 29, 2013 at 12:10 PM
Your dedication to your career and to US national security is exemplary.
That went away the day LLNS took over and is never coming back. Game Over !
May 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM
You reap what you sow. You get the treatment you give others. Happy? Is this death spiral satisfying to you?
Yes, reap what you sow. When the Laboratory treats it's employees poorly, the employees will treat the Laboratory poorly. Employees are not giving their 100%. Many are counting the days until retirement (or VSP). Many more are finding other jobs and quitting. Yes, the Laboratory is reaping what it sows.
May 2, 2013 at 9:59 AM
And so are the employees. Who do you think will suffer more? We'll put "I was right" on your tombstone.
The Laboratory will suffer more. Businesses fail when they don't treat their employees well. It is not difficult for even the average Laboratory employee to get a job at another organization. Many are doing just that. I am. I'm simply waiting to see if there will be a VSP. If there is no VSP, I don't lose anything except a few more months at the Laboratory. If there is a VSP, I come out way ahead. You can put "I was right" and "I win" on my tombstone.
Sad that you are so hopeless and helpless, so dependent on a handout from the government. LLNL will be well rid of you, no loss at all.
Whatever. However, I believe the Laboratory would disagree with you considering what they pay for me to bring DOE and WFO funds into the institution. It will be a loss of revenue to the organization. But yes, if the government wants to give me something for free in terms of a VSP - to pay me to do what I am already planning to do - I would be a fool not to take it. There are plenty of other individuals in the same boat. VSP or not, they win, the Laboratory loses. When employees are treated poorly, they leave. They give their employer a pink slip. It's a simple concept.
May 3, 2013 at 4:34 PM
Wait until late 2014. You'll start hearing rumblings then. Yawn. Shut up, Chicken Little.
"NO COMMUNICATION from the SMC"
Parney said next decision point was around mid-June once they had a better lay of the land.
So, don't get excited (and spun up by blog/water cooler rumors) until after mid-June.
If July rolls around with no word from Parney, then time to ping him to see what's up.
They're sticking to the exact schedule they outlined to us.
Yes, EBA's will be used to back fill the jobs of those that leave but that will only come after management moves the people they feel are worthy of advancement into those good positions since that's the only way you can get a pay raise and then all the crap jobs that are left will be fill by the EBA's and Transition employees. If you think you're going to go from EBA to a key money making position, think at least three times. It's not going to happen. There are far to many favorites who are going to be around for decades to come. The good old boy system has been alive and well for at least 30 years I know of and from all I've seen even after the UC to LNS transition it's even worse.