Actual post from Dec. 15 from one of the streams. This is a real topic. As far as promoting women and minorities even if their qualifications are not as good as the white male scientists, I am all for it. We need diversity at the lab and if that is what it takes, so be it. Quit your whining. Look around the lab, what do you see? White male geezers. How many African Americans do you see at the lab? Virtually none. LLNL is one of the MOST undiverse places you will see. Face it folks, LLNL is an institution of white male privilege and they don't want to give up their privileged positions. California, a state of majority Hispanics has the "crown jewel" LLNL nestled in the middle of it with very FEW Hispanics at all!
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As usual, you bring in another scapegoat to take the hit. When DOE was being hammered over it's mismanagement of the national labs the NNSA is created. DOE passes the buck to NNSA which in turn passes it to the labs themselves. With UC creating the LLC it has the chance to pass the hot potato to its partners in crime and now with a subcontractor it's another layer of finger pointing.
It's good to be retired.
And just way was DOE being hammered for the mismanagement of the labs? It seems like the labs ran fine before 1999. DOE was being hammered for mismanagement because it was convenient to get through the "for profit" model of corporations to run the labs and everything else in America. These corporations lobbied congress and they wanted something in return. This is the ultimate reason that the labs are in a mess now, it has nothing to do with UC, Wen Ho Lee, security, cowboy scientists or whatever. Even if there was never was a Wen Ho Lee, something else would have been blown out of proportion. It had to happen and and was going to happen. It was about how the United States has been sold out to corporations all in the name of money and that is all I have to say about that.
False, utterly and completely and you dam well know it. Wen Ho Lee was never charged as a spy, there was never a Mustang, there where no cowboys, nor was there a meth lab. It was all made up, and if not these things than something else would have been made up to get in a for profit corporation. Here is a question, how is it that UC was fine for 50 years and in 1999 all hell broke loose? Maybe, just maybe similar minor things had been happening at all the labs all along but after 1999 the plan was to make money by privatizing the labs so everything had to be be blown out proportion and was. Also if LANL was the problem why would they also privatize LLNL, unless it was all about getting as much money out of running as many labs as possible. The whole thing of blaming UC makes no sense, never made sense and never will make sense. It is about money...get it money. No matter what the last 10 years has absoutly been a disaster for the labs in terms of being able to carry out the mission, now who is the blame for that? After the contract change, LLNL had a RIF, LANL had two VSPs outs, there has been an exit of a huge amount of talented staff, management has grown to crazy outrageous proportions, and there has been leadership screw up after screw up, moral is in the pits, and yet more than a billion dollars has been given away for profit without any added value, not even zero value, but negative value.
September 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM
Not quite. Most of what he says is true, but he carefully avoids the facts on WHL. While it is true (although disingenuous) to say "Wen Ho Lee was never charged as a spy," he carefully does not say "Wen Ho Lee was not a spy," because all the evidence points to him having stolen design information which then disappeared. He WAS charged with mishandling classified information, and the evidence of that is indisputable. Computer forensics clearly traced his actions and none of them were consistent with an honest scientist carrying out his responsibilities. That the government lost its nerve when it became clear that to win the case SRD information would have had to be divulged in open court does not change the facts. If there is anyone out there still interested in actual facts, the Bellows Report is available although heavily redacted.
September 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM
Not quiet. Qunitanna did take classified information out of LANL, and it was recovered in a meth bust in a local trailer park. Check the dates - this was after UC was replaced.
There is indeed a cowboy culture at LANL, as has been observed by many people: For example, http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/25/nation/na-lab25, http://www.npr.org/healthscience/documents/holian_alamos.pdf, http://nukewatch.org/media2/postData.php?id=904, and many others. At the very least, most outside LANL and many inside perceive it.
"There was no Mustang". Pete Nanos.
There was classified in a meth dealer's trailer home, http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/10/25/classified-los-alamos-documents-found-in-meth-bust.html It may not have been a chemical meth lab, but why is the distinction important?
>That the government lost its nerve when it became clear that to win the case SRD >information would have had to be divulged in open court does not change the facts.
This is BS, they have charged and persecuted plenty of other suspects before despite
sensitive information. Maybe they just did not have a case and they knew it. You simply do not know. One thing we know was there there was clear government misconduct in the case. There are plenty of other sources for you to read as well.
A Convenient Spy: Wen Ho Lee and the Politics of Nuclear Espionage Paperback – August 3, 2007
by Dan Stober (Author), Ian Hoffman (Author)
http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/a-spy-or-not-a-spy-that-was-the-question
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2001/08/lee-a21.html
>There is indeed a cowboy culture at LANL, as has been observed by many people: For >example, http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/25/nation/na-lab25, >http://www.npr.org/healthscience/documents/holian_alamos.pdf, At the very >least, >most outside LANL and many inside perceive it.>http://nukewatch.org>>/media2>/postData.php?id=904, and many others.
Are you really that stupid? Why do you insist on being militantly ignorant?
The Brad Holian document provides statistical data to show that there was no
"cowboy culture". Do you read the the things you post? In comparison to other labs in the DOE, and NNSA complex it is clear that there is no cowboy culture and never was a cowboy culture. No in LANL ever said there is a cowboy culture and the ones outside of the labs who said this where saying it for political reasons and did even believe it themselves.
>"There was no Mustang". Pete Nanos.
Uh, what on earth. It does not matter if Nanos said this or not, there was no Mustang. After a through investigation the total of "questionable or inappropriate"
transitions as less than 15K out of a budget of 2.3 billion dollars which is far bellow any comparable organization. The culture of theft never existed.
>There was classified in a meth dealer's trailer home, http://www.foxnews.com>sto2006/10/25/classified-los-alamos-documents-found-in-meth-bust.html It may not have been a chemical meth lab, but why is the distinction important?
This was after the contract change, there was now meth lab. The value of the information was also of very low quality.
We will presume that September 19, 2015 at 9:53 AM is a total idiot until proven otherwise.
6:31 = 7:08, I think you might have anger management issues. There are classes for that, like the ones you had to go through when you slapped up your wife.
So because the person at 6:31 point out facts, he is having anger mgmt issues? Brave new world.
False, as pointed out the public fiascoes never existed they where made public so
that LLNL and LANL would be privatized. There are also many things that are done at LANL that cannot be done at either Sandia for LLNL. In any case even if they
moved part of the lab many of the employees at LANL that you hate so much would simply move to these new labs and continue to live well. Even if LANL where ever shut down you would still be a bitter pathetic loser who got fired due to incompetence and are permanently unemployable. Did that about cover it?
"6:31 = 7:08, I think you might have anger management issues. There are classes for that, like the ones you had to go through when you slapped up your wife.
We will presume that September 19, 2015 at 9:53 AM is a total idiot until proven otherwise.
September 19, 2015 at 7:08 PM
So because the person at 6:31 point out facts, he is having anger mgmt issues? Brave new world."
You have a a very good point, and yes it is a fact that September 19, 2015 at 9:53 AM poster is a total and complete idiot.
September 20, 2015 at 10:12 PM
I certainly hope you don't work at LANL or LLNL. One would hope those employees at least know and respect the difference between a fact and an opinion. Claiming your opinions are facts is not the most effective way to establish or maintain credibility. If you care.
WHL was guilty; him writing his book doesn't mean anything. The judge that apologized shouldn't have. Bad judgement, if you ask me.
There was also no Mustang. Maybe except the horse that Nanos came to town on. Rode it till it died and got a cushy deal going to Washington and staying on the Laboratory payroll for a while.
The Quintana incident is true. A drug bust at her home discovered the classified documents.
Don't believe everything that is printed in newspapers or on the News. Just saying.
September 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM
Amen. And even if you can believe some of it, it is never the whole story.
Sounds like a personal opinion with no basis, if you ask me.
September 21, 2015 at 8:54 PM
The basis is something you will have to wait for, maybe for a very long time, until declassification of the details of the investigation.
September 22, 2015 at 1:32 AM
Someone seems bitter that Norm didn't pick them for a job. Just sayin...
Hat you stoapid scientit at LLNL and LANNL, cowboys and cowgirls, where is my ford mustng yo stole. UC is cannot run a landrament much less a lab,I shuld know since I wehre dirty cloths. I am more smartthan you Phd arrogents
http://www.energy.gov/em/articles/doe-awards-legacy-cleanup-contract
You are just now aware words came out of your mouth... but you're not sure what they mean?
You are just now aware words came out of your mouth... but you're not sure what they mean?
September 24, 2015 at 8:12 PM
No, it is a cultural phrase that has come to mean that the speaker realizes he has offended the listener but wants the listener to know that he doesn't want any consequences for his offense, because it was just a random comment he hoped would not engender any bad feelings or consequences. The ultimate "let me get away with this because I know it was offensive but I hope you don't care."
As stated by Anonymous September 21, 2015 at 10:03 PM comment; people may never hear the evidence and FACTS regarding WHL (see below).
The basis is something you will have to wait for, maybe for a very long time, until declassification of the details of the investigation.
Even if you where only on the periphery of those or any other event is does not mean you have any real understating of what actually occurs, the process, or the true nature of the results. It is possible that you are not intelligent enough to understand or interpret correctly what happened or you had some other kind of mental disability or deficiency that kept you form correct understanding of events around you. From some of your other posts it is safe to to assume that you have a rather distorted view of reality so you may not be the most reliable source for information of any kind. Just sayin...
September 26, 2015 at 7:36 AM
Bitter is as bitter does.
I think you are giving me credit for posts that I haven't written. I'm just wondering, do you have a stutter when you talk to?
"From some of your other posts it is safe to to assume"
September 28, 2015 at 9:44 AM
Talk to whom?