Is weapons science leaving LANL and going to LLNL? Follow the money.
Tri-Valley Cares needs to be on this if they aren't already. We need to make sure that NNSA and LLNL does not make good on promises to pursue such stupid ideas as doing Plutonium experiments on NIF. The stupidity arises from the fact that a huge population is placed at risk in the short and long term. Why do this kind of experiment in a heavily populated area? Only a moron would push that kind of imbecile area. Do it somewhere else in the god forsaken hills of Los Alamos. Why should the communities in the Bay Area be subjected to such increased risk just because the lab's NIF has failed twice and is trying the Hail Mary pass of doing an SNM experiment just to justify their existence? Those Laser EoS techniques and the people analyzing the raw data are all just BAD anyways. You know what comes next after they do the experiment. They'll figure out that they need larger samples. More risk for the local population. Stop this imbecilic pursuit. They wan...
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LLNL has been leading the NW work since 2000. LANL has been leading the scandals and is only open due to political reasons. Sure they may have some future for pits but there has been no real new work there since the lab imploded with Wen Ho Lee. So yes the NW has been moving to LLNL for some time and will continue to do so. There is is not much science going on at LANL either since pits don't need that much. LLNL will be the de-facto NW lab, Sandia is a national security lab and LANL will be Savanah River West, or Rocky Flats II.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Your knowledge of LANL and its programs and NW work is at least 12 years old. Go pet your dog or your grandkids, you don't count anymore.
I recommend you look to the real customers in the DOD and whose new weapons development they are budgeting for future funds before you dismiss the possibly. Don’t rest on LANL past successes.
This will increase, however LANL will be getting pit money, I would guess a few of the LANL systems will be moving to LLNL as well within 5-10 years.
LANL = production facility
LLNL = the NNSA weapons science facility
SNL = the NNSA weapons engineering facility
Why would anyone want to live in New Mexico anyways. It’s not a secret lab anymore.
7/16/2019 7:20 PM
Los Alamos: Great schools, zero crime, great weather, good outdoor environment, high professional salaries, great pension and benefits, good health care locally, great downhill and cross-country skiing, fabulous farmers market in summer, etc., etc., etc. Plus, the most rich multi-discipline theoretical and experimental scientific institution in the world.
7/18/2019 5:40 PM"
The problem is that there are many other places that offe these things as well. The salary of a Professor at Research University is on par or even better than a LLNL or LANL scientists. At some point LANL offered much better science opportunities than most universities, however this is no longer the case. Over the past 15 years you have people leaving for places like U of Nebraska, U of Tennessee, Northern Arizona, and Utah and saying overall it is better than the NNSA labs for a variety of reasons. I won't even mention the number of people who have left for the high tech industry. The NNSA labs have increasingly becoming places that the best people simply will not find appealing compared to the options.
7/20/2019 9:36 AM
Name one or two.
7/20/2019 5:39 PM
Boulder, Tucson, Eugene, Corvalis, Fort Colins, Moscow, Flagstaff, Golden, Bozmen, Fargo, Laramie, Merced, Santa Cruz, Riverside, Pulman, Bellevue, Redman, Vancuver, Burnaby, Calgary, Seattle, Missoula, Logan, Salt Lake City, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obisbo, San Jose, Palo Alto, Berkley, Livermore, Irvine, Los Angles, Westwood, Phoenix, Reno, Boise, Tacoma, Portland, Denver, Albuquerque, Los Cruses, Socorro, Fairbanks
These are all places that people from LAML have left for in the last 5 years that meet all tour criteria.
We good now?
We good now?
7/21/2019 10:43 PM
LAML? I am afraid that your point is now invalid. 5.39 PM is therefore correct. Now technically the places you have mentioned do meet the criteria that one posters gave and it is also correct that LANL people have been leaving for these locations along with many others. I would also add that I know of people who left for places like Austin Texas which does have many good things but probably falls short on the nature bit. How about Oak Ridge, Brookhaven, Argonne, Chicago and so on, well the weather is not that great but they also have some nice things. The point is that LANL has some pretty stiff competition for talent and this has been getting worse. LANL has also experienced a number periods of uncertainty and having NNSA and people like Nanos openly attacking the workforce at times has not helped. There is no guarantee that something like will not happen again. In fact with all the things that LANL does there is bound to be problems.
So how much are full-day lift tickets in Missoula?
7/27/2019 10:53 AM
I don't know about Missoula but I know a some people that left for Bozeman for better pay. LANL and LLNL are simply no longer competitive with even 3rd rate places. No disrespect to MSU but come on. The NNSA labs are becoming a joke in terms of real science and engineering.
7/28/2019 9:28 PM
I hate to tell you this, but they always have been. The longstanding saying in academia is "Don't worry, if you don't get tenure, you can always get a job in a National lab."
7/31/2019 3:02 PM
Yeah, the downside being, you might actually have to do work and achieve results instead of teaching a bunch of privileged, bored, rich students.