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Thursday, July 9, 2020
Bill Goldstein retiring
Livermore Lab Director Bill Goldstein announces retirement
False, this just does not make any sense. LLNL is hiring more people, why would the do this? I have not heard the rumor or anything like this.
As for Bill Goldstein he has got to be close to 65 and made some good money, he may want to return todo some research or simply move to another state, so I would not read too much into this. Unlike most of the recent LANL directors Bill Goldstein actually did real science and was known outside of the lab systems so I would guess he still wants to do some research and probably has options at various institutions to join.
Ah, the good old 3 and 3 rumor. Always looking back to the good old days. The last time LLNL had a buyout that good was 1993. All other buyouts were simply a lump sum cash incentive. The 2013 buyout was 1 week of pay for each year worked capped at 26 weeks. All the other buyouts between 1993 and 2013 were of similar nature. Nothing that juiced the retirement pay by adding age and service years.
Now consider TCP2 folks, nothing about age or service years applies, whatever you have in the nest egg is what you will get. At some point, and possibly it has happened already, the majority of the lab employees will be in the 401k plan.
And throw some logic at it, why would LLNS throw a bunch of monies to the working stiffs because the director bows out. It hasn't happened with any other director in either the UC or LLNS world. If anything, a golden parachute might fall from the sky in a change of contracts, but such manna from heaven doesn't go to the worker bees.
I too would have liked a 3 and 3. Them days is gone.
I too would have liked a 3 and 3. Them days is gone.
7/10/2020 4:04 PM
3 and 3 is not going to happen. Could some kind of offer be coming..? who knows but I have heard nothing nor know of any reason why there would be any kind of offer like this.
Because TCP 2 people can't be incentivized with this...?
Could some kind of offer be coming..?
Somebody upthread mentioned that something VSIP like wouldn't happen because "the lab was still hiring". Isn't the point of a separation incentive to get the more highly paid (usually older) to leave and bring cheaper younger personnel on board? Back in 2017 a 40K incentive was implemented for DOD for a while and floated for Federal organizations across the board. Never went anywhere but who knows as things get tighter financially for the FEDs.
"So how long until the lab conducts a open and fair nation-wide search for the best candidate and then selects an insider?"
That statement reveals the truth of the matter. Of the 12 directors Livermore has had since it started, only Parney Albright was not promoted from within. I liked that guy, I believe he fought DOE/NNSA and was forced out.
How could there possible ever be layoffs at the labs with hiring and budgets increasing so rapidly? Even my friend who works at one of the labs easily got his Chinese-born wife a position that requires a high level of security clearance. By the way, there must be tons of Chinese and Taiwanese with recent US citizenship applying for positions at the labs. No problem because once you become a citizen you automatically are immune from any conflict. God bless America!
5:50 if you meant, “open” and “fair”, then the answer is about a microsecond. That practice has an interesting history. When Groves directed Oppenheimer to recruit a world class scientific staff, both men meant to do exactly that and did. After the war, even the leftovers and transplants were still world class by any reasonable standard. Consequently, for many years, hiring from within still ensured that your staff was among the best available. Unfortunately, as the original staff slowly died off, and second-rate replacements were found, the quality of both the scientific staff and science conducted became second rate too. Sadly, the now bad habit of promoting from within was still maintained. To add insult to injury, in recent years, the second-rate insiders were deliberately replaced by third-rate corporate bandits from Bechtel and elsewhere. We still promote from within. The results are predictable.
No one has mentioned Herr Director in my opinion bringing politics to the Lab? I do believe he has a good, but misguided heart. He is the first to do so (politics) as Parney seemed to try to insulate us from politics like the CR's? Again in my opinion it is clear Mr. Goldstein was pushing his SF Liberalism on us. I also noticed a small but interesting item, as his eyes would bulge out a little when he would address a Trump Policy like the Travel Ban.
The point is I believe (maybe I am biased) that this had something to do with his retirement as he looked like an unwilling retiree on his WebX? Just sayin'
A buyout when the director leaves? I guess that would be better than performing seppuku to demonstrate loyalty to his lord by following him in retirement.
I retired in 2013, the contacts I've maintained at Livermore haven't informed me that the place has gone downhill since then. The budget and population of the place has significantly increase since then. Why the hope for a buyout?
This made me freak out. Craig Leasure?? UC VP?? Holy Crap! How did that happen? I retired a number of years ago from LANL, when Leasure was a gofur for Scott Gibbs, ADOPS. He was clueless about most everything, and showed it. His fawning over Gibbs (who was a that time a fairly good upper manager) was embarrassing. Wow. Just wow. What has happened to UC!
Not one of the best or brightest by a long shot. How this guy can even find the bathroom is beyond me. Another embarrassment for the labs and UC. I agree with 6.03 PM the only reason Craig would be on this is because he will do exactly as he is told to do by someone else. He survives by being a yes man. This whole thing is very sad.
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Rumor going around the lab that a 3 and 3 will be offered just before he leaves.
Anyone know if there is any truth to this?
7/10/2020 10:27 AM
False, this just does not make any sense. LLNL is hiring more people, why would the do this? I have not heard the rumor or anything like this.
As for Bill Goldstein he has got to be close to 65 and made some good money, he may want to return todo some research or simply move to another state, so I would not read too much into this. Unlike most of the recent LANL directors Bill Goldstein actually did real science and was known outside of the lab systems so I would guess he still wants to do some research and probably has options at various institutions to join.
Ah, the good old 3 and 3 rumor. Always looking back to the good old days. The last time LLNL had a buyout that good was 1993. All other buyouts were simply a lump sum cash incentive. The 2013 buyout was 1 week of pay for each year worked capped at 26 weeks. All the other buyouts between 1993 and 2013 were of similar nature. Nothing that juiced the retirement pay by adding age and service years.
Now consider TCP2 folks, nothing about age or service years applies, whatever you have in the nest egg is what you will get. At some point, and possibly it has happened already, the majority of the lab employees will be in the 401k plan.
And throw some logic at it, why would LLNS throw a bunch of monies to the working stiffs because the director bows out. It hasn't happened with any other director in either the UC or LLNS world. If anything, a golden parachute might fall from the sky in a change of contracts, but such manna from heaven doesn't go to the worker bees.
I too would have liked a 3 and 3. Them days is gone.
Moving to another state seems like a good move for anyone in CA.
Yes, “3+3” gets bantered about whenever there is disturbance in the force. Pigs cleared for takeoff on runway 27L.
I too would have liked a 3 and 3. Them days is gone.
7/10/2020 4:04 PM
3 and 3 is not going to happen. Could some kind of offer be coming..? who knows but I have heard nothing nor know of any reason why there would be any kind of offer like this.
3 and 3 is not going to happen.
Because TCP 2 people can't be incentivized with this...?
Could some kind of offer be coming..?
Somebody upthread mentioned that something VSIP like wouldn't happen because "the lab was still hiring". Isn't the point of a separation incentive to get the more highly paid (usually older) to leave and bring cheaper younger personnel on board? Back in 2017 a 40K incentive was implemented for DOD for a while and floated for Federal organizations across the board. Never went anywhere but who knows as things get tighter financially for the FEDs.
Not going to happen. The dead wood is already gone. Getting rid of older, more knowledgeable people is eating your seed corn.
So how long until the lab conducts a open and fair nation-wide search for the best candidate and then selects an insider?
"So how long until the lab conducts a open and fair nation-wide search for the best candidate and then selects an insider?"
That statement reveals the truth of the matter. Of the 12 directors Livermore has had since it started, only Parney Albright was not promoted from within. I liked that guy, I believe he fought DOE/NNSA and was forced out.
"only Parney Albright was not promoted from within. I liked that guy, I believe he fought DOE/NNSA and was forced out."
It is easier to maintain a culture if you pick insiders for leadership positions. I believe Parney was a nice guy too.
How could there possible ever be layoffs at the labs with hiring and budgets increasing so rapidly? Even my friend who works at one of the labs easily got his Chinese-born wife a position that requires a high level of security clearance. By the way, there must be tons of Chinese and Taiwanese with recent US citizenship applying for positions at the labs. No problem because once you become a citizen you automatically are immune from any conflict. God bless America!
"How could there possible ever be layoffs at the labs with hiring and budgets increasing so rapidly?"
If budgets and hiring are flat or increasing across the board you have a good point. Are they though?
If budgets and hiring are flat or increasing across the board you have a good point. Are they though?
7/14/2020 8:47 AM
There is not going to be any incentive.
5:50 if you meant, “open” and “fair”, then the answer is about a microsecond. That practice has an interesting history. When Groves directed Oppenheimer to recruit a world class scientific staff, both men meant to do exactly that and did. After the war, even the leftovers and transplants were still world class by any reasonable standard. Consequently, for many years, hiring from within still ensured that your staff was among the best available. Unfortunately, as the original staff slowly died off, and second-rate replacements were found, the quality of both the scientific staff and science conducted became second rate too. Sadly, the now bad habit of promoting from within was still maintained. To add insult to injury, in recent years, the second-rate insiders were deliberately replaced by third-rate corporate bandits from Bechtel and elsewhere. We still promote from within. The results are predictable.
No one has mentioned Herr Director in my opinion bringing politics to the Lab? I do believe he has a good, but misguided heart. He is the first to do so (politics) as Parney seemed to try to insulate us from politics like the CR's? Again in my opinion it is clear Mr. Goldstein was pushing his SF Liberalism on us. I also noticed a small but interesting item, as his eyes would bulge out a little when he would address a Trump Policy like the Travel Ban.
The point is I believe (maybe I am biased) that this had something to do with his retirement as he looked like an unwilling retiree on his WebX?
Just sayin'
A buyout when the director leaves? I guess that would be better than performing seppuku to demonstrate loyalty to his lord by following him in retirement.
I retired in 2013, the contacts I've maintained at Livermore haven't informed me that the place has gone downhill since then. The budget and population of the place has significantly increase since then. Why the hope for a buyout?
The hemorrhaging national treasury means the budget increase is over, for awhile. Getting did of experienced and expensive staff is logical.
I heard PAD of op and business (which oversights hr, business op etc) retired too. something is going on..
UC Regent Charlene Zettel who heads LLNS and Craig Leasure UC Vice President for National Labs are leading UC's search for a new LLNL director.
https://www.llnl.gov/sites/www/files/2020-07/Zettel%20to%20LLNL%20Employees%202020%20FINALedit.pdf
https://www.ucop.edu/laboratory-management/index.html
Craig Leasure? Infamous carpetbagger gofer? you have got to be kidding!
This made me freak out. Craig Leasure?? UC VP?? Holy Crap! How did that happen? I retired a number of years ago from LANL, when Leasure was a gofur for Scott Gibbs, ADOPS. He was clueless about most everything, and showed it. His fawning over Gibbs (who was a that time a fairly good upper manager) was embarrassing. Wow. Just wow. What has happened to UC!
Well, if Craig is involved, you can get your bottom dollar it will be a charade.
Craig Leasure!!!!!?????
Not one of the best or brightest by a long shot. How this guy can even find the bathroom is beyond me. Another embarrassment for the labs and UC. I agree with 6.03 PM the only reason Craig would be on this is because he will do exactly as he is told to do by someone else. He survives by being a yes man. This whole thing is very sad.
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