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Friday, October 28, 2022
LLNL versus Twitter
LLNL versus Twitter
In light of recent events should LLNL and LANL remove their twitter accounts to help the fight against Fascism? Lets take a vote.
33 comments:
Anonymous
said...
Is this a joke?
“Fascism” because Elon Musk wants a digital town square that mirrors US free speech rights and where the left doesn’t ban everyone with an opinion that doesn’t pull the leftist line? This is the actual issue that anyone with an open non-politico mind can see…
Musk buys twitter and than a right wing nut tries to kill Nancy Pelosi. Hate speech is just going to embolden attacks on good people will lead to a second insurrection and increased crime. National security comes in all forms and the labs need to take a stance.
Twitter is already turning into hellscape. Musk himself is now spreading fake news about the Pelosi attack. This cannot stand, twitter needs to broken up, made a public utility, or shut down. When the CEO starts using it to spread fake news we are in trouble.
"National security comes in all forms and the labs need to take a stance."
The labs should be apolitical. Their primary mission is to assure the viability of the nuclear stockpile. The same should be said for the FBI, the intelligence agencies and the justice department. Unfortunately, those agencies are no longer neutral and by being biased, they no longer serve the interest of the American citizen.
I thought that many people were OK with twitter suppressing the conservative view, it was a private enterprise. And it still is.
Look, the solution isn't hard. Just put one of those rainbow "everybody is welcome" stickers on your door, some pronouns on your email and then you can do whatever the heck you want. Nobody will care or be none the wiser. You just have to act like you follow the party line. Stickers and email slogans are a cheap way to appease the anti-free speech Nazis. Good thing they aren't that bright.
If you can't stand to hear something you don't believe, disagree with, and have no counter position to offer in a civil debate, best to lock your doors and stay in your home forever.
If you can't stand to hear something you don't believe, disagree with, and have no counter position to offer in a civil debate, best to lock your doors and stay in your home forever.
10/31/2022 7:53 PM
It does not work that way. Sure I can do exactly that and I choose not read conspiracy sites. The problem comes in when other people who are not educated enough or smart enough get hold of this information and have no ability to discern if it is true. They than attack the capital attempt to overthrow the government, attack politicians, interfere with my school, make people feel unsafe or as COVID show will do things that will endanger the lives of others. In other words it not about me choosing to no hear something it is about others hearing something and acting on it that effects everybody else. We almost lost the nation on Jan 6 because of fake news.
We have to be honest free speech was invented at a different time that social media. We need some way to allow for free speech yet get rid of the dangers from social media associated with free speech. The idea of free speech absolutism is simply way to dangerous. I do not buy the deep state conspiracies but I do hope there are some adults in the nations national security apparatus that doing something about this because I fear with our current political make up the a change to the constitution to have limits to free speech abuse may not be possible. In that case we better hope there are some people in DHS, the national labs, and other security agencies that are doing something to stop the spread of fake news, misinformation and disinformation because our democracy will not stand much longer going the way it is.
"We almost lost the nation on Jan 6 because of fake news."
11/01/2022 9:31 AM
Hyperbole much? What a crock. What we "almost" had was a subversion and counterfeiting of the electoral college vote, which, if it had occurred, would have been reversed immediately by the courts. You are a fearful person, afraid of everything you don't like, and willing to use force if necessary to make sure nothing you don't like ever happens. You are the threat to America.
"We have to be honest free speech was invented at a different time that social media."
11/01/2022 9:31 AM
Free speech wasn't "invented." It was acknowledged by the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as one of our God-given inalienable rights. The people's rights preceded the establishment of our government by the people. If you are under 50 or so years old, I understand you've probably never heard that before. I learned it in grammar school.
1) Yes. 2) No, that is needless hyperbole. They weren't trying to "overthrow the government." They were trying to keep the same government, but overthrow the presidential election result, which is in no way the same thing. The president is not "the government" under our Constitution. In any case, the SCOTUS would have put a quick end to it had it come even close to succeeding. It didn't. You should have more faith in our country and in our Constitution.
The anon posting thinking it was a RWNJ that attacked Pelosi, or that Elon taking over twitter equals fascism obviously does not work at the labs as no one that stupid would make it through the gates. 👍🏻
The anon posting thinking it was a RWNJ that attacked Pelosi, or that Elon taking over twitter equals fascism obviously does not work at the labs as no one that stupid would make it through the gates. 👍🏻
11/03/2022 11:06 PM
Here is something scary, if look at academic social media there is thousands of professors saying a RWNJ attacked Pelosi and Elon is a fascist. In fact they would claim they are the intellectual elite and the smart people. Yes there are people at the labs that believe this. It is hard to get a sense how many because the same people keep screaming this stuff so loudly so you might think it is more than there actually ios.
I think a nutcase attacked Pelosi and that was all, the story is weird but I am not buying into any narrative but no matter what nutcase seems to apply. Elon is not a fascist. As near as I can tell for many anybody who does not believe you narrative is a fascist. Of course it goes both ways such as claiming Obama is a communist, the word fascist however is just being thrown out all the time now, but since many seem to not be aware of what it means it is now just an insult and nothing more. In that case anyone can be a fascist. The cat knocked down the glass because he is fascist!!.
The anon posting thinking it was a RWNJ that attacked Pelosi, or that Elon taking over twitter equals fascism obviously does not work at the labs as no one that stupid would make it through the gates. 👍🏻
11/03/2022 11:06 PM
Here is something scary, if look at academic social media there is thousands of professors saying a RWNJ attacked Pelosi and Elon is a fascist. In fact they would claim they are the intellectual elite and the smart people. Yes there are people at the labs that believe this. It is hard to get a sense how many because the same people keep screaming this stuff so loudly so you might think it is more than there actually ios.
I think a nutcase attacked Pelosi and that was all, the story is weird but I am not buying into any narrative but no matter what nutcase seems to apply. Elon is not a fascist. As near as I can tell for many anybody who does not believe you narrative is a fascist. Of course it goes both ways such as claiming Obama is a communist, the word fascist however is just being thrown out all the time now, but since many seem to not be aware of what it means it is now just an insult and nothing more. In that case anyone can be a fascist. The cat knocked down the glass because he is fascist!!.
I just keep seeing over and over again in the news media that if the red wave happens on Tues that it will signal the end of democracy in America and usher in an age of authoritarianism.
On MSNBC
“Joe Biden is saying the same thing tonight, and a historian 50 years from now – if historians are allowed to write in this country and if they are still free publishing houses and a free press – which I’m not certain of – but if that is true, a historian will say what was at stake tonight and this week was the fact whether we will be a democracy in the future, whether our children will be arrested and conceivably killed,” said MSNBC commentator Michael Beschloss “We’re on the edge of a brutal, authoritarian system,” he said. “And it could be a week away.”
Wow the republicans are going arrest and kill children.
I know I am not the smartest guy but I have a bit of hard time following the logic on this, so if Republicans get the majority in the house and senate democracy ends? How does democracy end?
In any case what doe the labs do if democracy ends on Nov 8th. I thougt the labs where to preserve democracy. Could we simply tell the government that we will no longer obey them? Do the labs really want to be part of brutal authoritarian regime?
Don't try to make sense out of craziness, just vote against the crazies on both sides. Split tickets are your friends. No ultra-progressives, no MAGA Republicans. Just moderates on both sides who are willing and able to negotiate and compromise, like our Constitution intended. Simple.
Unlike MAGAs, "ultra" progressives are not gullible. My opinion. For what it is worth.
11/05/2022 6:23 PM
I would say the opposite. In my experience ultra progressives are extremely gullible and follow well defined narrative. One thing I have always noticed about them is that they never have their own ideas and I never learn anything from them. The other thing is their inability to debate or discuss anything. They simply say "experts" say and tell you to read something but cannot use logical skills and if you try to discuss with the they just say "I do not want to discuss it anymore". These are the "educated" progressives. The less educated are scattered brain nutcases. Most people at the labs have never meet the latter but these are the loons that seem utterly confused and have no knowledge of history and are the Antifa type. Yes I know some of these from family friends. (Interesting note some Antifa have far more crazy conspiracies than anything from a MAGA person and they are not fans of certain groups if you know what I mean).
I have to say many of the MAGA types are not the deepest people and do believe some crazy things are possible but many at least can think and are willing to discuss. Many have very different ideas and from what I can tell on average have a much better understating of history and politics.
"Unlike MAGAs, "ultra" progressives are not gullible. My opinion. For what it is worth.
11/05/2022 6:23 PM"
It is interesting how both sides accuse each other of the exact same thing. The left says the right are fascists who are in a cult. The right think the left are in a complete cult and wish for authoritarian regime where speech and though are strictly controlled. How does one decide which side is right?
Hey 11/05/2022 9:47 PM, I have heard MAGA interviews where they cannot even cite a source. The fact that MAGA believe the 2020 election was rigged proves thrx are gullible. Antifa is not a movement like the proud boys. It is a theory.
Jim Jones, New Temple Jones, a loyal supporter of Marxism, communism, and socialism,
Heavens gate and s on
In fact most cults which we all agree on as cults are generally on the left or far left in terms of political ideology. I am sure there are some exceptions like these money or prosperity cults but all the big ones are are left wing.
There are multiple books on cults, what is so scary is that much of what you see in far left are common cult practices. (1) cutting off contract with relatives or friends who are not aligned with your political agenda. (2) Shutting of information flow that comes from other sources and trying to impose a social isolation so that you interact only with friends and family that are the correct side. (3) Shaming, cancelling, ostracizes anyone who questions a narrative. (4) forcing people to believe blatantly contradictory information. (5) Avoiding debate or confrontation with anyone with differing ideology. (6) Extreme bogeyman like tactics like Nov 8 is the end of democracy. (7) redefining commonly used words and definitions or creating your own language, for example redefining racism such that one cannot be racist against white people. (8) Weird thought patterns like, even if you think you are not racists you are racists but in an unconscious way. (9) invisible demons or systems that control you you cannot see it but it is all around you like "white privilege" and systemic racism but trust the leaders it is there.
I have know many right wing families who have said whole groups of family have completely cut them off, however I have yet to know a single right wing family member to cut off other family members for being democrats. Kind of telling.
Look I voted from Democrats most of my life including Obama twice but around 2014 or so I started seeing increasingly cult like and extreme anti intellectual tendencies on the left.
I have heard MAGA interviews where they cannot even cite a source. The fact that MAGA believe the 2020 election was rigged proves thrx are gullible.
"I have heard MAGA interviews where they cannot even cite a source."
I agree that there are many of these types that seem to just be repeating something they heard on the radio or from others and cannot back any of their points up, by I head just as many interviews of left wing people who say stuff just as crazy and cannot give a source either.
"The fact that MAGA believe the 2020 election was rigged proves thrx are gullible."
Good point, I agree. But would also also say that believing the 2016 election was rigged by Putin in collusion with Trump and still believing that today also makes you gullible because I know many left wing people who believe this.
"Antifa is not a movement like the proud boys. It is a theory."
What? We have gone over this before it is movement, not a very organized one it is just a bunch of drugged out young criminals who want to be violent and Antifa has caused way more violence than the proud boys ever had I would guess by a factor 100. I know some of the Antifa, they have no idea what "theory" even means, they have little understanding of anything and in fact share some ideology with with the proud boys. In fact many of the members of boogaloo movement also joint with Antifa. There are endless videos of Antifa being interviewed sharing their ideas which again are far crazier than anything I have head a Maga person say. To be honest I am not sure Antifa is even political since I doubt they can or do vote.
Blogger Scooby said... 11/06/2022 8:58 AM Name a leftist cult!
Here is list of left wing cults. The peoples temple is on it.
https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=111267
List of features of cults, see if sounds familiar at all.
Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
the group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself,
(e.g., the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity). Magical thinking is prevalent…
Magical thinking is prevalent
The flow of information is subject to censorship and contro And the group as a whole is elitist, with an elite ‘inner circle’ at its core.
Threats are made against members who leave
And outsiders or outsider groups are slandered and vilified
Members become increasingly isolated from former companions
And group identity takes precedence over (or replaces) individual identity
Members frequently experience feelings of shame, guilt, fear and dread
And women, especially, are tightly controlled
Deception is normalised, and the ends always justify the means
Antifa is not a movement like the proud boys. It is a theory.
11/06/2022 9:54 AM
Interesting that as the moderator of a LLNL-centered blog, you completely misuse the word "theory." Which hypotheses are being tested under this "theory," and by what experiments or calculations?
And (2) Was Jan 6th AN insurrection on the capital to overthrow the government.
If it was, it was poorly organized, undermanned, and without the appropriate tools to do so. Not one gun. Not one. In a group of “MAGA” people. Not one. Worst “insurrection” ever.
Hey 11/10/2022 12:51 AM "Not one gun?".you apparently are a foxnews/newsmax watcher at the exclusion of any other source. It was reported on many networks and on the January 6th hearings that there were weapons. The scene I remember is a guy in a tree with an ARxx. Luckily. he was intercepted before he fired it.
"Not one gun?".you apparently are a foxnews/newsmax watcher at the exclusion of any other source. It was reported on many networks and on the January 6th hearings that there were weapons. The scene I remember is a guy in a tree with an ARxx. Luckily. he was intercepted before he fired it.
11/10/2022 7:54 AM
Scooby, this does not sound accurate. It is not that I am saying your are wrong, but I cannot find anything about a guy in a tree with AK? In fact very very few people had firearms in Jan 6th, I think maybe 3? In several cases the weapons where in the cars and not on the people. It is also true that the none of the weapons where fried. You should know by know that something being "reported" by several network is pretty much meaningless. Considering that Jan 6th had like 50 to 100k people and less than 5 had guns does not sound like an insurrection. DC has very strict gun laws so anybody going to this with a gun is taking a risk. I know you want to the narrative to be that this was a coup attempt to take over the US and install fascisim but there is simply no credible case that this was a planned coup attempt with any such thing in mind. There are no plotters, no plan, no organization no inside people and so on. They keep going on about how 150 cops where injured.
In May June 2020 in DC during the riot, more than 150 cops where injured, Trump had flee to bunker something he was mocked for endlessly. People just keep forging the the whole 2020 riots, all the people killed, and all the damage done. I can condemn the Jan 6th people and think they should serve jail time a year or more depending on the crime, yet you the left cannot seem to condem riots that lead to over 100 deaths and billions of dollars of damage, while the press calls them peaceful.
Listening to one news source be if Fox or MSNBC is not very informative, you need to listen to multiple sources. In may opinion Fox is generally more nuanced and fair than but they of course have bias. MSNBC and CNN are not only less fair they often seem to be poorly informed. The other day CNN was reporting about how the Jan 6th Protestors killed of the capital police. That never happened no police officers where killed by the protestors, in fact this was know about 2 days after Jan 6th, yet these news agencies simply would not report it and to this day some of their reporters repeat this.
I am not so much pro right wing as I am anti MSM. There job is not to inform you, their job is to make money, keep you watching feed you what you want to hear, or controll you.
The scene I remember is a guy in a tree with an ARxx. Luckily. he was intercepted before he fired it.
I looked everywhere for this and finally found it from the Jan 6th investigation however however the video does not actually show any gun, so no one was intercepted. There was some police radio saying something about AK however there is no video of the guns. Odd with that with so many cameras that they could not film it. The people in the tree where not intercepted. The police did not find any AR. Putting the video with the police radio makes it sound like they are connected when they are not. I think the police where just mistaken. As of right now there is no evidence the people involved in the riot had ARs. What is odd is why did Scooby "remember" a guy in a tree with an AR? Was that just a mistake on his part? Very odd. Here is the ref video below. In any case it was clear that Scooby could not have been correct because if they had a video of a guy with AR in a tree by the Capital that would have on the front cover of NYT, Newsweek in so on.
The usual modus operandi of law enforcement, especially the FBI, is to display the confiscated items (guns and drugs are the usual items) to show how well they are protecting the public. We've had over two years for them to step up to the podium and they haven't done so.
How many of the folks that have been jailed were carrying weapons, and why haven't we seen charges placed for carrying them on property that would make it illegal to do so?
Oh, Jeez, just let it go already. Many have been prosecuted and many convicted. The process is working. The public doesn't need to know everything. Trump is toast and Trumpists are slinking back into the woodwork where they belong. All's good.
33 comments:
Is this a joke?
“Fascism” because Elon Musk wants a digital town square that mirrors US free speech rights and where the left doesn’t ban everyone with an opinion that doesn’t pull the leftist line? This is the actual issue that anyone with an open non-politico mind can see…
10/29/2022 12:25 AM
Musk buys twitter and than a right wing nut tries to kill Nancy Pelosi. Hate speech is just going to embolden attacks on good people will lead to a second insurrection and increased crime. National security comes in all forms and the labs need to take a stance.
Once again, 10:36. Then vs than. You’ve got this!
Twitter is already turning into hellscape. Musk himself is now spreading fake news about the Pelosi attack. This cannot stand, twitter needs to broken up, made a public utility, or shut down. When the CEO starts using it to spread fake news we are in trouble.
"National security comes in all forms and the labs need to take a stance."
The labs should be apolitical. Their primary mission is to assure the viability of the nuclear stockpile. The same should be said for the FBI, the intelligence agencies and the justice department. Unfortunately, those agencies are no longer neutral and by being biased, they no longer serve the interest of the American citizen.
I thought that many people were OK with twitter suppressing the conservative view, it was a private enterprise. And it still is.
I thought that many people were OK with twitter suppressing the conservative view, it was a private enterprise. And it still is.
10/30/2022 10:46 AM
I have no problem with conservative views I have an issue with fascist views and unfortunately twitter is now being used to fuel fascisim.
Look, the solution isn't hard. Just put one of those rainbow "everybody is welcome" stickers on your door, some pronouns on your email and then you can do whatever the heck you want. Nobody will care or be none the wiser. You just have to act like you follow the party line. Stickers and email slogans are a cheap way to appease the anti-free speech Nazis. Good thing they aren't that bright.
If you can't stand to hear something you don't believe, disagree with, and have no counter position to offer in a civil debate, best to lock your doors and stay in your home forever.
If you can't stand to hear something you don't believe, disagree with, and have no counter position to offer in a civil debate, best to lock your doors and stay in your home forever.
10/31/2022 7:53 PM
It does not work that way. Sure I can do exactly that and I choose not read conspiracy sites. The problem comes in when other people who are not educated enough or smart enough get hold of this information and have no ability to discern if it is true. They than attack the capital attempt to overthrow the government, attack politicians, interfere with my school, make people feel unsafe or as COVID show will do things that will endanger the lives of others. In other words it not about me choosing to no hear something it is about others hearing something and acting on it that effects everybody else. We almost lost the nation on Jan 6 because of fake news.
We have to be honest free speech was invented at a different time that social media. We need some way to allow for free speech yet get rid of the dangers from social media associated with free speech. The idea of free speech absolutism is simply way to dangerous. I do not buy the deep state conspiracies but I do hope there are some adults in the nations national security apparatus that doing something about this because I fear with our current political make up the a change to the constitution to have limits to free speech abuse may not be possible. In that case we better hope there are some people in DHS, the national labs, and other security agencies that are doing something to stop the spread of fake news, misinformation and disinformation because our democracy will not stand much longer going the way it is.
"We almost lost the nation on Jan 6 because of fake news."
11/01/2022 9:31 AM
Hyperbole much? What a crock. What we "almost" had was a subversion and counterfeiting of the electoral college vote, which, if it had occurred, would have been reversed immediately by the courts. You are a fearful person, afraid of everything you don't like, and willing to use force if necessary to make sure nothing you don't like ever happens. You are the threat to America.
"We have to be honest free speech was invented at a different time that social media."
11/01/2022 9:31 AM
Free speech wasn't "invented." It was acknowledged by the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as one of our God-given inalienable rights. The people's rights preceded the establishment of our government by the people. If you are under 50 or so years old, I understand you've probably never heard that before. I learned it in grammar school.
11/01/2022 5:15 PM
Before this conversation goes any further reply to this.
(1) Is Biden the legitimate president of the United States.
(2) Was Jan 6th a insurrection on the capital to overthrow the government.
Who you are matters.
1) Yes.
2) No, that is needless hyperbole. They weren't trying to "overthrow the government." They were trying to keep the same government, but overthrow the presidential election result, which is in no way the same thing. The president is not "the government" under our Constitution. In any case, the SCOTUS would have put a quick end to it had it come even close to succeeding. It didn't. You should have more faith in our country and in our Constitution.
That's who I am.
The anon posting thinking it was a RWNJ that attacked Pelosi, or that Elon taking over twitter equals fascism obviously does not work at the labs as no one that stupid would make it through the gates. 👍🏻
The anon posting thinking it was a RWNJ that attacked Pelosi, or that Elon taking over twitter equals fascism obviously does not work at the labs as no one that stupid would make it through the gates. 👍🏻
11/03/2022 11:06 PM
Here is something scary, if look at academic social media there is thousands of professors saying a RWNJ attacked Pelosi and Elon is a fascist. In fact they would claim they are the intellectual elite and the smart people. Yes there are people at the labs that believe this. It is hard to get a sense how many because the same people keep screaming this stuff so loudly so you might think it is more than there actually ios.
I think a nutcase attacked Pelosi and that was all, the story is weird but I am not buying into any narrative but no matter what nutcase seems to apply. Elon is not a fascist. As near as I can tell for many anybody who does not believe you narrative is a fascist. Of course it goes both ways such as claiming Obama is a communist, the word fascist however is just being thrown out all the time now, but since many seem to not be aware of what it means it is now just an insult and nothing more. In that case anyone can be a fascist. The cat knocked down the glass because he is fascist!!.
The anon posting thinking it was a RWNJ that attacked Pelosi, or that Elon taking over twitter equals fascism obviously does not work at the labs as no one that stupid would make it through the gates. 👍🏻
11/03/2022 11:06 PM
Here is something scary, if look at academic social media there is thousands of professors saying a RWNJ attacked Pelosi and Elon is a fascist. In fact they would claim they are the intellectual elite and the smart people. Yes there are people at the labs that believe this. It is hard to get a sense how many because the same people keep screaming this stuff so loudly so you might think it is more than there actually ios.
I think a nutcase attacked Pelosi and that was all, the story is weird but I am not buying into any narrative but no matter what nutcase seems to apply. Elon is not a fascist. As near as I can tell for many anybody who does not believe you narrative is a fascist. Of course it goes both ways such as claiming Obama is a communist, the word fascist however is just being thrown out all the time now, but since many seem to not be aware of what it means it is now just an insult and nothing more. In that case anyone can be a fascist. The cat knocked down the glass because he is fascist!!.
11/04/2022 11:35 AM
I just keep seeing over and over again in the news media that if the red wave happens on Tues that it will signal the end of democracy in America and usher in an age of authoritarianism.
On MSNBC
“Joe Biden is saying the same thing tonight, and a historian 50 years from now – if historians are allowed to write in this country and if they are still free publishing houses and a free press – which I’m not certain of – but if that is true, a historian will say what was at stake tonight and this week was the fact whether we will be a democracy in the future, whether our children will be arrested and conceivably killed,” said MSNBC commentator Michael Beschloss
“We’re on the edge of a brutal, authoritarian system,” he said. “And it could be a week away.”
Wow the republicans are going arrest and kill children.
I know I am not the smartest guy but I have a bit of hard time following the logic on this, so if Republicans get the majority in the house and senate democracy ends? How does democracy end?
In any case what doe the labs do if democracy ends on Nov 8th. I thougt the labs where to preserve democracy. Could we simply tell the government that we will no longer obey them? Do the labs really want to be part of brutal authoritarian regime?
11/05/2022 11:48 AM
Don't try to make sense out of craziness, just vote against the crazies on both sides. Split tickets are your friends. No ultra-progressives, no MAGA Republicans. Just moderates on both sides who are willing and able to negotiate and compromise, like our Constitution intended. Simple.
Hello 11/05/2022 11:48 AM!
Unlike MAGAs, "ultra" progressives are not gullible. My opinion. For what it is worth.
Unlike MAGAs, "ultra" progressives are not gullible. My opinion. For what it is worth.
11/05/2022 6:23 PM
I would say the opposite. In my experience ultra progressives are extremely gullible and follow well defined narrative. One thing I have always noticed about them is that they never have their own ideas and I never learn anything from them. The other thing is their inability to debate or discuss anything. They simply say "experts" say and tell you to read something but cannot use logical skills and if you try to discuss with the they just say "I do not want to discuss it anymore". These are the "educated" progressives. The less educated are scattered brain nutcases. Most people at the labs have never meet the latter but these are the loons that seem utterly confused and have no knowledge of history and are the Antifa type. Yes I know some of these from family friends. (Interesting note some Antifa have far more crazy conspiracies than anything from a MAGA person and they are not fans of certain groups if you know what I mean).
I have to say many of the MAGA types are not the deepest people and do believe some crazy things are possible but many at least can think and are willing to discuss. Many have very different ideas and from what I can tell on average have a much better understating of history and politics.
Just my opinion for what is is worth.
"Unlike MAGAs, "ultra" progressives are not gullible. My opinion. For what it is worth.
11/05/2022 6:23 PM"
It is interesting how both sides accuse each other of the exact same thing. The left says the right are fascists who are in a cult. The right think the left are in a complete cult and wish for authoritarian regime where speech and though are strictly controlled. How does one decide which side is right?
Hey 11/05/2022 9:47 PM,
I have heard MAGA interviews where they cannot even cite a source.
The fact that MAGA believe the 2020 election was rigged proves thrx are gullible.
Antifa is not a movement like the proud boys. It is a theory.
11/06/2022 8:58 AM
Name a leftist cult!
Name a leftist cult!
11/06/2022 9:55 AM
Jim Jones, New Temple
Jones, a loyal supporter of Marxism, communism, and socialism,
Heavens gate and s on
In fact most cults which we all agree on as cults are generally on the left or far left in terms of political ideology. I am sure there are some exceptions like these money or prosperity cults but all the big ones are are left wing.
There are multiple books on cults, what is so scary is that much of what you see in far left are common cult practices. (1) cutting off contract with relatives or friends who are not aligned with your political agenda. (2) Shutting of information flow that comes from other sources and trying to impose a social isolation so that you interact only with friends and family that are the correct side. (3) Shaming, cancelling, ostracizes anyone who questions a narrative. (4) forcing people to believe blatantly contradictory information. (5) Avoiding debate or confrontation with anyone with differing ideology. (6) Extreme bogeyman like tactics like Nov 8 is the end of democracy. (7) redefining commonly used words and definitions or creating your own language, for example redefining racism such that one cannot be racist against white people. (8) Weird thought patterns like, even if you think you are not racists you are racists but in an unconscious way. (9) invisible demons or systems that control you you cannot see it but it is all around you like "white privilege" and systemic racism but trust the leaders it is there.
I have know many right wing families who have said whole groups of family have completely cut them off, however I have yet to know a single right wing family member to cut off other family members for being democrats. Kind of telling.
Look I voted from Democrats most of my life including Obama twice but around 2014 or so I started seeing increasingly cult like and extreme anti intellectual tendencies on the left.
I have heard MAGA interviews where they cannot even cite a source.
The fact that MAGA believe the 2020 election was rigged proves thrx are gullible.
"I have heard MAGA interviews where they cannot even cite a source."
I agree that there are many of these types that seem to just be repeating something they heard on the radio or from others and cannot back any of their points up, by I head just as many interviews of left wing people who say stuff just as crazy and cannot give a source either.
"The fact that MAGA believe the 2020 election was rigged proves thrx are gullible."
Good point, I agree. But would also also say that believing the 2016 election was rigged by Putin in collusion with Trump and still believing that today also makes you gullible because I know many left wing people who believe this.
"Antifa is not a movement like the proud boys. It is a theory."
What? We have gone over this before it is movement, not a very organized one it is just a bunch of drugged out young criminals who want to be violent and Antifa has caused way more violence than the proud boys ever had I would guess by a factor 100. I know some of the Antifa, they have no idea what "theory" even means, they have little understanding of anything and in fact share some ideology with with the proud boys. In fact many of the members of boogaloo movement also joint with Antifa. There are endless videos of Antifa being interviewed sharing their ideas which again are far crazier than anything I have head a Maga person say. To be honest I am not sure Antifa is even political since I doubt they can or do vote.
Blogger Scooby said...
11/06/2022 8:58 AM
Name a leftist cult!
Here is list of left wing cults. The peoples temple is on it.
https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=111267
List of features of cults, see if sounds familiar at all.
Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
the group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself,
(e.g., the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
Magical thinking is prevalent…
Magical thinking is prevalent
The flow of information is subject to censorship and contro
And the group as a whole is elitist, with an elite ‘inner circle’ at its core.
Threats are made against members who leave
And outsiders or outsider groups are slandered and vilified
Members become increasingly isolated from former companions
And group identity takes precedence over (or replaces) individual identity
Members frequently experience feelings of shame, guilt, fear and dread
And women, especially, are tightly controlled
Deception is normalised, and the ends always justify the means
Antifa is not a movement like the proud boys. It is a theory.
11/06/2022 9:54 AM
Interesting that as the moderator of a LLNL-centered blog, you completely misuse the word "theory." Which hypotheses are being tested under this "theory," and by what experiments or calculations?
Pro censorship is fascist behavior.
And
(2) Was Jan 6th AN insurrection on the capital to overthrow the government.
If it was, it was poorly organized, undermanned, and without the appropriate tools to do so. Not one gun. Not one. In a group of “MAGA” people. Not one. Worst “insurrection” ever.
Hey 11/10/2022 12:51 AM
"Not one gun?".you apparently are a foxnews/newsmax watcher at the exclusion of any other source.
It was reported on many networks and on the January 6th hearings that there were weapons. The scene I remember is a guy in a tree with an ARxx. Luckily. he was intercepted before he fired it.
"Not one gun?".you apparently are a foxnews/newsmax watcher at the exclusion of any other source.
It was reported on many networks and on the January 6th hearings that there were weapons. The scene I remember is a guy in a tree with an ARxx. Luckily. he was intercepted before he fired it.
11/10/2022 7:54 AM
Scooby, this does not sound accurate. It is not that I am saying your are wrong, but I cannot find anything about a guy in a tree with AK? In fact very very few people had firearms in Jan 6th, I think maybe 3? In several cases the weapons where in the cars and not on the people. It is also true that the none of the weapons where fried. You should know by know that something being "reported" by several network is pretty much meaningless. Considering that Jan 6th had like 50 to 100k people and less than 5 had guns does not sound like an insurrection. DC has very strict gun laws so anybody going to this with a gun is taking a risk. I know you want to the narrative to be that this was a coup attempt to take over the US and install fascisim but there is simply no credible case that this was a planned coup attempt with any such thing in mind. There are no plotters, no plan, no organization no inside people and so on. They keep going on about how 150 cops where injured.
In May June 2020 in DC during the riot, more than 150 cops where injured, Trump had flee to bunker something he was mocked for endlessly. People just keep forging the the whole 2020 riots, all the people killed, and all the damage done. I can condemn the Jan 6th people and think they should serve jail time a year or more depending on the crime, yet you the left cannot seem to condem riots that lead to over 100 deaths and billions of dollars of damage, while the press calls them peaceful.
Listening to one news source be if Fox or MSNBC is not very informative, you need to listen to multiple sources. In may opinion Fox is generally more nuanced and fair than but they of course have bias. MSNBC and CNN are not only less fair they often seem to be poorly informed. The other day CNN was reporting about how the Jan 6th Protestors killed of the capital police. That never happened no police officers where killed by the protestors, in fact this was know about 2 days after Jan 6th, yet these news agencies simply would not report it and to this day some of their reporters repeat this.
I am not so much pro right wing as I am anti MSM. There job is not to inform you, their job is to make money, keep you watching feed you what you want to hear, or controll you.
The scene I remember is a guy in a tree with an ARxx. Luckily. he was intercepted before he fired it.
I looked everywhere for this and finally found it from the Jan 6th investigation however however the video does not actually show any gun, so no one was intercepted. There was some police radio saying something about AK however there is no video of the guns. Odd with that with so many cameras that they could not film it. The people in the tree where not intercepted. The police did not find any AR. Putting the video with the police radio makes it sound like they are connected when they are not. I think the police where just mistaken. As of right now there is no evidence the people involved in the riot had ARs. What is odd is why did Scooby "remember" a guy in a tree with an AR? Was that just a mistake on his part? Very odd. Here is the ref video below. In any case it was clear that Scooby could not have been correct because if they had a video of a guy with AR in a tree by the Capital that would have on the front cover of NYT, Newsweek in so on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykJyPXVlco0
The usual modus operandi of law enforcement, especially the FBI, is to display the confiscated items (guns and drugs are the usual items) to show how well they are protecting the public. We've had over two years for them to step up to the podium and they haven't done so.
How many of the folks that have been jailed were carrying weapons, and why haven't we seen charges placed for carrying them on property that would make it illegal to do so?
So come on Jan 6 committee, give us the pictures.
Oh, Jeez, just let it go already. Many have been prosecuted and many convicted. The process is working. The public doesn't need to know everything. Trump is toast and Trumpists are slinking back into the woodwork where they belong. All's good.
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