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Friday, May 25, 2018
Is the announcement today?
There is a sighting of corporate jet at the Los Alamos airport. Maybe the announcement is today?
30 comments:
Anonymous
said...
Corporate jets land at LAM several times a week. Nothing to get excited about.
Of course it's legal to take a photo of an airplane. Good God, how could ANYONE think that would be illegal?
May 26, 2018 at 11:05 AM
There are lots of youtube videos of people getting arrested for taking pictures or video of train stations, airports and other government facilities. We live in a new age. Suppose it is a Bechtel plane, I don't think they would like someone talking a picture of their plane, especially people at Los Alamos who they know don't like them.
Maybe, just maybe, if we shine a light on those Bechtel cockroaches they’ll scurry off into some other place.
May 27, 2018 at 3:11 AM
Bechtel considers the workers and the people of New Mexico to be less than cockroaches, they are very open about how they look down on the LANL and LLN employees they consider themselves completely separate from them. If you read the books on Bechtel you will see that they always look down the "locals" be it people from Bolivia, Nigeria, Iraq, or New Mexico, they see them as cash cows to exploited for money.
I think they think better of the people of Iraq than the New Mexico locals. LANL is just a pay day to New Mexico locals. There is no pride in working at LANL to them.
Bechtel does not detest the technical staff.... This is bull on its face. My guess is there is not a single Bechtel person that can name three scientists at LANL and they could give two bits about what they do. Bechtel has never been involved with the technical staff and has no reason to be. This is UCs territory and always has been.
LANL is just a pay day to New Mexico locals. There is no pride in working at LANL to them.
May 28, 2018 at 5:34 PM
Obvious that you don't know any "locals" working at LANL. Lots of younger people happy to have a way to a good career, and lots of vets glad to continue serving their country. Your attitude is too common among the "elite" at LANL, transplants who never have and never will adjust to living in New Mexico. Stop and say hello to someone who is not a scientist once in a while. Don't sneer at the Spanish accent and you might learn something, or even, if miracles exist, make a friend.
"Obvious that you don't know any "locals" working at LANL. Lots of younger people happy to have a way to a good career, and lots of vets glad to continue serving their country. "
As someone pointed out above New Mexico has enormous problems in terms of eduction, crime, health, poverty, drugs, child welfare, and so on, and this plays a huge issue on the statistics of the number of qualified job applications. It does not mean any one individual cannot be an outstanding, dedicated and patriotic employee but the statistics of Northern New Mexico are going to be issue. Judging from New Mexicos continual slide "adjusting to living in New Mexico" does not sound like the best personal advice especially if you look at all the standard indicators of the state. Attacking the so called "elite" at LANL will do absolutely nothing to help, however realizing that New Mexico has real issues and that these issues have nothing to do with Los Alamos is a good first step.
I work with all locals at the lab including Los Alamos second and third generation, Valley, and people traveling in for over 50 miles away. Not a scientist one. It's a pay day. Many don't know what the lab does and do not care. This has nothing to do with people being friends or good people. Some are great family men and women. This has to do with a basic issue at the lab. No patriotism and pride at the root of what we do. The profit motive has won. The pay checks are bigger than anywhere else in the state from the janitor to the director and that is the reason people in New Mexico come to LANL. Nobody outside the science and engineering community wants to work at LANL otherwise. There is no prestige, pride, or anything. You should get out and ask more.
There’s a real problem with the NM university system. When working with Sandia I saw Ph.D’s from UNM who performed at the technician level. I looked at someone’s masters thesis from UNM and it was literally a weekend of running a commercial code. Contrast this with LLNL which has Ph.D’s from Stanford and Berkeley everywhere. It’s sad but the NM labs just don’t have the personnel they need to succeed.
Lots of soft bigotry here, it is really discouraging. Disrespect and a refusal to even see a legitimate cadre of Hispanic employees who are dedicated, committed to the institution, and patriotic, is just self-centered and patronizing. Why would you choose to live and make a career in a place you hate, and that you feel is not your home? Twenty or thirty generations of Hispanics all around you know it is their home, and can be forgiven for seeing you as the clueless, arrogant, short-termers (only since 1945) you are.
Anonymous said... Bechtel does not detest the technical staff.... This is bull on its face. My guess is there is not a single Bechtel person that can name three scientists at LANL and they could give two bits about what they do. Bechtel has never been involved with the technical staff and has no reason to be. This is UCs territory and always has been. May 29, 2018 at 9:27 AM
from personal experience with personnel that were placed at both LLNL and LANL, I can say that yes they do detest tech staff, and hold anyone not in corporate as wastes of skin. This goes for all project sites, not just national labs...
>Lots of soft bigotry here, it is really discouraging.
There is no basis for this accusation, when someone points out actual statistics on the issues of the state it is simply pointing out a problem by referring to facts. The issues with New Mexico are also spread amongst every demographic in New Mexico.
>Disrespect and a refusal to even see a legitimate cadre of Hispanic employees who are >dedicated, committed to the institution, and patriotic, is just self-centered and patronizing.
Every post has pointed out that there are indeed outstanding individuals from every group of people. Also the you seem to think that native born NM locals are all Hispanic, which again is not true.
>Why would you choose to live and make a career in a place you hate, and that you feel is not >your home? Twenty or thirty generations of Hispanics all around you know it is their home, and >can be forgiven for seeing you as the clueless, arrogant, short-termers (only since 1945) you >are
This makes a series of assumptions which are wrong. (1) A large fraction of the Hispanic New Mexicans are less than 2 generations, this may be up to 50% or more of the group. The group of people going back 20 generations is probably very small at this point. (2) There are other ethnic groups in New Mexico that have been around lot longer than 30 generations. (3) There are many non-Hispanics non-Natives who have been around for many generations in New Mexico. (4) Besides you no one is saying people at LANL or Sandia are clueless, arrogant, short timers.
"Bechtel does not detest the technical staff.... This is bull on its face. My guess is there is not a single Bechtel person that can name three scientists at LANL and they could give two bits about what they do. Bechtel has never been involved with the technical staff and has no reason to be. This is UCs territory and always has been. May 29, 2018 at 9:27 AM "
You clearly do not work at LANL, if you have you have encountered this attitude. Just come clean and admit you do not work at the lab and have not worked at the lab since 2006. Can you please be honest about this.
from personal experience with personnel that were placed at both LLNL and LANL, I can say that yes they do detest tech staff, and hold anyone not in corporate as wastes of skin. This goes for all project sites, not just national labs...
May 31, 2018 at 9:30 AM
An example would be nice. I have been at LANL for 8 years and have rarely seen any interaction between these two groups (Bechtel and the technical staff). Bechtel is relegated to the PADCAP (Construction Projects, Maintenance, etc.) and Environmental work. You may be confusing Bechtel with AECOM or BWXT who work on the Operations side. None of these three have much if anything to do with the pure science side, at least for LANL.
If I am wrong, which I am willing to be, an example would help.
I agree. No one is pointing to ethnicity as the cause of the issues. Instead, I truly believe we have lost a sense of true purpose at the lab. Something that everyone can rally around. I speak with people who come to the lab and people who have worked at the lab and never will again and it is NOT about mission. It is about money vs the pain of putting up with the crap at the Lab. Mission, patriotism, pride, whatever you want to call it is never a reason to work here or stay.
You can see it in the state and local politics too (i.e tax revenue) but I digress...
A large fraction of the Hispanic New Mexicans are less than 2 generations, this may be up to 50% or more of the group. The group of people going back 20 generations is probably very small at this point.
May 31, 2018 at 9:49 AM
You obviously have little or no knowledge of the history and demographics of northern NM (not the entire state). There are many intertwined 20 generation families with Spanish (not Mexican) language traditions and roots. Descendants of the army of Vázquez de Coronado in the mid 1500's.
The proud blood of the Spaniard runs deep in Northern New Mexico. Many families can recount their ancestry going back hundreds of years. In fact, the town of Espanola was settled way before Jamestown in Virginia and is the second oldest European settlement in America (1598). It's an amazing heritage. Likewise, the proud Pueblo Indian culture goes back even further, over a thousand years. Most Americans have no idea of the alternative, non-Anglosphere history of this region.
"There are many intertwined 20 generation families with Spanish (not Mexican) language traditions and roots. Descendants of the army of Vázquez de Coronado in the mid 1500's."
I think you might be troll because you keep leaving out the obvious group of people of Northern New Mexico that have way more than 20 generations in New Mexico. Now the question is what fraction of Northern New Mexicans that can trace back more than 10-20 generations? Lets do some math. NMN is 50% Hispanic, 15 % Native American, 35% rest. 51.4% of current residents where born in New Mexico, the other 49% where born in other states, territories or abroad. That is just the current residents and similar trend to this would have occurred in in the last 100-150 years or several generations, which means that by definition there are certainly less than 30% of of current NNM going back even 2- 4 generations.
Now the largest group that you can point to going back to 20 generations and more include the 15% Native Americans. This group has traditionally been far far less likely to move out the NNM region over the many generation and only in the last 100 years has that even been feasible for this group due to a number of factors. In contrast the Hispanic/Spanish population would have been mobile going all the way back 1600 so among the groups that where around 20 generation ago many would left New Mexico over that time period but replaced by other groups moving in and cycling through. The current Hispanic/Spanish population of NNM going 10-20 generations is likely 15% or less. As for "Descendants of the army of Vázquez de Coronado in the mid 1500's." I would guess that around 0 to less than 1% of the current NNM popolution could trace ancestry back to that, since first Spanish settlement in NM starts in 1598, long after 1539.
Thus we can conclude that you did in fact made an assumption about the current population of New Mexico that was incorrect and it is you with the lack of knowledge of demographics and the NNM region.
But hey, prove me wrong go get some actual numbers, I would love to know. As for my numbers they only one I can find that of the claimed ancestors of New Mexico is that only 9% claim Spanish, while much higher fraction say Mexico, and the 9% is certainly within the range of less than 15% I gave.
"Soft bigotry". I am a retired Hispanic employee. I took pride in the work of the Laboraory and understood its mission. I admired the science. I was in a support function (procurement) and interacted with the science side quite often. I learned about neutrinos, heavy water, nanotechnology, monitoring wells concerning the plume, supercomputing, hazardous materials left over from prior experiments and work activities. I worked during the Wen Ho Lee incident and was confused about which side to believe. I worked during the procurement scandal which I knew was greater than publicly published and was disappointed by the outright thievery. I earned undergraduate and graduate degrees from a New Mexico college. My family has been in northern New Mexico for many generations. I was not allowed to speak Spanish while at LANL because the managers did not speak Spanish and felt we were speaking about them (sometimes but mostly we were not). I was paid $20,000 per year less than my white male counterparts and the reason was that the Lab could not afford to provide parity. When my child passed away, the primary concern is when were my contracts going to be awarded. It is greater than soft bigotry. It is a sociopathic culture void of empathy and compassion. It is a culture of me first, my project first, my science first. If an employee can grasp that concept of me first, then the employee can survive but understands it will be difficult to thrive; however, a flower can bloom in the shade with a little nuturing.
A large fraction of the Hispanic New Mexicans are less than 2 generations, this may be up to 50% or more of the group. The group of people going back 20 generations is probably very small at this point.
May 31, 2018 at 9:49 AM
"less than 2 generations" is one generation, a first generation immigrant. You can easily look this up in one minute or less - less than 10% of people who live in New Mexico were born in another country. Assuming that you meant "two generations or less", an additional 11% of the New Mexico population have at least one parent who was born in another country. That totals to 20% of the New Mexico population who are two generation residents or less. That's nowhere near your false claim of "up to 50% or more".
9:49 AM, Why did you make this up when it would take only a minute or two to find out the real facts?
. You can easily look this up in one minute or less - less than 10% of people who live in New Mexico were born in another country.
I did look it up. It is true that 10% of current New Mexicans are born in another country but 40% are born in in another state, so already in generation 0 you are at 50%. Of the current New Mexicans only 50% where born in the state. Soo the number of current residents of NNM going back 2 generations, by that I mean the current one, the one after that is certainly less than 50%.
Population[edit] The United States Census Bureau estimates that the population of New Mexico was 2,085,109 on July 1, 2015, a 1.26% increase since the 2010 United States Census.[47] The 2000 United States Census recorded the population of New Mexico to be 1,819,046; ten years later the 2010 United States Census recorded a population of 2,059,179, an 11.7% increase.[50]
Of the people residing in New Mexico, 51.4% were born in New Mexico, 37.9% were born in a different US state, 1.1% were born in Puerto Rico, U.S. Island areas, or born abroad to American parent(s), and 9.7% were foreign born.[51] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico
If half the people in New Mexico are not born in New Mexico you have 50% right off the bat that cannot trace back beyond even one generation. Do this one more time and you only 25%. going back one or two generations. I think you will find extremely few non-native people can go back even four generations.
I can agree with the "my project and my science first" attitudes toward anybody in a support role. I truly hope your pay was not effected by being Hispanic but I have seen and reported cases where females were treated as second class by males of all races. The Lab could be a great place but I do have to disagree that people have any national pride in the work. This may have been the case before the transition but I do not see it now. Some of it is because of the end of the Cold War but much of it I think has to do with generational culture.
30 comments:
Corporate jets land at LAM several times a week. Nothing to get excited about.
If there was a corporate jet at the local airport, did anyone get a look at the tail registration? That could tell you who owns it.
"did anyone get a look at the tail registration? "
Is it legal to take a picture of a tail registration? Suppose it is Bechtel they may not want people knowing what they are up to.
China bought LANL.
Of course it's legal to take a photo of an airplane. Good God, how could ANYONE think that would be illegal?
Of course it's legal to take a photo of an airplane. Good God, how could ANYONE think that would be illegal?
May 26, 2018 at 11:05 AM
There are lots of youtube videos of people getting arrested for taking pictures or video of train stations, airports and other government facilities. We live in a new age. Suppose it is a Bechtel plane, I don't think they would like someone talking a picture of their plane, especially people at Los Alamos who they know don't like them.
Maybe, just maybe, if we shine a light on those Bechtel cockroaches they’ll scurry off into some other place.
Use a telephoto lens and take the picture. Solved it for ya.
Maybe, just maybe, if we shine a light on those Bechtel cockroaches they’ll scurry off into some other place.
May 27, 2018 at 3:11 AM
Bechtel considers the workers and the people of New Mexico to be less than cockroaches, they are very open about how they look down on the LANL and LLN employees they consider themselves completely separate from them. If you read the books on Bechtel you will see that they always look down the "locals" be it people from Bolivia, Nigeria, Iraq, or New Mexico, they see them as cash cows to exploited for money.
I think they think better of the people of Iraq than the New Mexico locals. LANL is just a pay day to New Mexico locals. There is no pride in working at LANL to them.
It is not just the locals Bechtel hates, they completely detest the LANL technical staff.
Bechtel does not detest the technical staff.... This is bull on its face. My guess is there is not a single Bechtel person that can name three scientists at LANL and they could give two bits about what they do. Bechtel has never been involved with the technical staff and has no reason to be. This is UCs territory and always has been.
LANL is just a pay day to New Mexico locals. There is no pride in working at LANL to them.
May 28, 2018 at 5:34 PM
Obvious that you don't know any "locals" working at LANL. Lots of younger people happy to have a way to a good career, and lots of vets glad to continue serving their country. Your attitude is too common among the "elite" at LANL, transplants who never have and never will adjust to living in New Mexico. Stop and say hello to someone who is not a scientist once in a while. Don't sneer at the Spanish accent and you might learn something, or even, if miracles exist, make a friend.
"Obvious that you don't know any "locals" working at LANL. Lots of younger people happy to have a way to a good career, and lots of vets glad to continue serving their country. "
As someone pointed out above New Mexico has enormous problems in terms of eduction, crime, health, poverty, drugs, child welfare, and so on, and this plays a huge issue on the statistics of the number of qualified job applications. It does not mean any one individual cannot be an outstanding, dedicated and patriotic employee but the statistics of Northern New Mexico are going to be issue. Judging from New Mexicos continual slide "adjusting to living in New Mexico" does not sound like the best personal advice especially if you look at all the standard indicators of the state. Attacking the so called "elite" at LANL will do absolutely nothing to help, however realizing that New Mexico has real issues and that these issues have nothing to do with Los Alamos is a good first step.
May 29, 2018 at 7:07 PM
I work with all locals at the lab including Los Alamos second and third generation, Valley, and people traveling in for over 50 miles away. Not a scientist one. It's a pay day. Many don't know what the lab does and do not care. This has nothing to do with people being friends or good people. Some are great family men and women. This has to do with a basic issue at the lab. No patriotism and pride at the root of what we do. The profit motive has won. The pay checks are bigger than anywhere else in the state from the janitor to the director and that is the reason people in New Mexico come to LANL. Nobody outside the science and engineering community wants to work at LANL otherwise. There is no prestige, pride, or anything. You should get out and ask more.
There’s a real problem with the NM university system. When working with Sandia I saw Ph.D’s from UNM who performed at the technician level. I looked at someone’s masters thesis from UNM and it was literally a weekend of running a commercial code. Contrast this with LLNL which has Ph.D’s from Stanford and Berkeley everywhere. It’s sad but the NM labs just don’t have the personnel they need to succeed.
Lots of soft bigotry here, it is really discouraging. Disrespect and a refusal to even see a legitimate cadre of Hispanic employees who are dedicated, committed to the institution, and patriotic, is just self-centered and patronizing. Why would you choose to live and make a career in a place you hate, and that you feel is not your home? Twenty or thirty generations of Hispanics all around you know it is their home, and can be forgiven for seeing you as the clueless, arrogant, short-termers (only since 1945) you are.
Anonymous said...
Bechtel does not detest the technical staff.... This is bull on its face. My guess is there is not a single Bechtel person that can name three scientists at LANL and they could give two bits about what they do. Bechtel has never been involved with the technical staff and has no reason to be. This is UCs territory and always has been.
May 29, 2018 at 9:27 AM
from personal experience with personnel that were placed at both LLNL and LANL, I can say that yes they do detest tech staff, and hold anyone not in corporate as wastes of skin. This goes for all project sites, not just national labs...
>Lots of soft bigotry here, it is really discouraging.
There is no basis for this accusation, when someone points out actual statistics on the issues of the state it is simply pointing out a problem by referring to facts. The issues with New Mexico are also spread amongst every demographic in New Mexico.
>Disrespect and a refusal to even see a legitimate cadre of Hispanic employees who are >dedicated, committed to the institution, and patriotic, is just self-centered and patronizing.
Every post has pointed out that there are indeed outstanding individuals from every group of people. Also the you seem to think that native born NM locals are all Hispanic, which again is not true.
>Why would you choose to live and make a career in a place you hate, and that you feel is not >your home? Twenty or thirty generations of Hispanics all around you know it is their home, and >can be forgiven for seeing you as the clueless, arrogant, short-termers (only since 1945) you >are
This makes a series of assumptions which are wrong. (1) A large fraction of the Hispanic New Mexicans are less than 2 generations, this may be up to 50% or more of the group. The group of people going back 20 generations is probably very small at this point.
(2) There are other ethnic groups in New Mexico that have been around lot longer than 30 generations. (3) There are many non-Hispanics non-Natives who have been around for many generations in New Mexico. (4) Besides you no one is saying people at LANL or Sandia are clueless, arrogant, short timers.
I suspect you may be a troll
"Bechtel does not detest the technical staff.... This is bull on its face. My guess is there is not a single Bechtel person that can name three scientists at LANL and they could give two bits about what they do. Bechtel has never been involved with the technical staff and has no reason to be. This is UCs territory and always has been.
May 29, 2018 at 9:27 AM "
You clearly do not work at LANL, if you have you have encountered this attitude. Just come clean and admit you do not work at the
lab and have not worked at the lab since 2006. Can you please be honest about this.
from personal experience with personnel that were placed at both LLNL and LANL, I can say that yes they do detest tech staff, and hold anyone not in corporate as wastes of skin. This goes for all project sites, not just national labs...
May 31, 2018 at 9:30 AM
An example would be nice. I have been at LANL for 8 years and have rarely seen any interaction between these two groups (Bechtel and the technical staff). Bechtel is relegated to the PADCAP (Construction Projects, Maintenance, etc.) and Environmental work. You may be confusing Bechtel with AECOM or BWXT who work on the Operations side. None of these three have much if anything to do with the pure science side, at least for LANL.
If I am wrong, which I am willing to be, an example would help.
I suspect you may be a troll
May 31, 2018 at 9:49 AM
I agree. No one is pointing to ethnicity as the cause of the issues. Instead, I truly believe we have lost a sense of true purpose at the lab. Something that everyone can rally around. I speak with people who come to the lab and people who have worked at the lab and never will again and it is NOT about mission. It is about money vs the pain of putting up with the crap at the Lab. Mission, patriotism, pride, whatever you want to call it is never a reason to work here or stay.
You can see it in the state and local politics too (i.e tax revenue) but I digress...
A large fraction of the Hispanic New Mexicans are less than 2 generations, this may be up to 50% or more of the group. The group of people going back 20 generations is probably very small at this point.
May 31, 2018 at 9:49 AM
You obviously have little or no knowledge of the history and demographics of northern NM (not the entire state). There are many intertwined 20 generation families with Spanish (not Mexican) language traditions and roots. Descendants of the army of Vázquez de Coronado in the mid 1500's.
The proud blood of the Spaniard runs deep in Northern New Mexico. Many families can recount their ancestry going back hundreds of years. In fact, the town of Espanola was settled way before Jamestown in Virginia and is the second oldest European settlement in America (1598). It's an amazing heritage. Likewise, the proud Pueblo Indian culture goes back even further, over a thousand years. Most Americans have no idea of the alternative, non-Anglosphere history of this region.
"There are many intertwined 20 generation families with Spanish (not Mexican) language traditions and roots. Descendants of the army of Vázquez de Coronado in the mid 1500's."
I think you might be troll because you keep leaving out the obvious group of people of Northern New Mexico that have way more than 20 generations in New Mexico. Now the question is what fraction of Northern New Mexicans that can trace back more than 10-20 generations? Lets do some math. NMN is 50% Hispanic, 15 % Native American, 35% rest. 51.4% of current residents where born in New Mexico, the other 49% where born in other states, territories or abroad. That is just the current residents and similar trend to this would have occurred in in the last 100-150 years or several generations, which means that by definition there are certainly less than 30% of of current NNM going back even 2- 4 generations.
Now the largest group that you can point to going back to 20 generations and more include the 15% Native Americans. This group has traditionally been far far less likely to move out the NNM region over the many generation and only in the last 100 years has that even been feasible for this group due to a number of factors. In contrast the Hispanic/Spanish population would have been mobile going all the way back 1600 so among the groups that where around 20 generation ago many would left New Mexico over that time period but replaced by other groups moving in and cycling through. The current Hispanic/Spanish population of NNM going 10-20 generations is likely 15% or less. As for "Descendants of the army of Vázquez de Coronado in the mid 1500's." I would guess that around 0 to less than 1% of the current NNM popolution could trace ancestry back to that, since first Spanish settlement in NM starts in 1598, long after 1539.
Thus we can conclude that you did in fact made an assumption about the current population of New Mexico that was incorrect and it is you with the lack of knowledge of demographics and the NNM region.
But hey, prove me wrong go get some actual numbers, I would love to know. As for my numbers they only one I can find that of the claimed ancestors of New Mexico is that only 9% claim Spanish, while much higher fraction say Mexico, and the 9% is certainly within the range of less than 15% I gave.
"Soft bigotry". I am a retired Hispanic employee. I took pride in the work of the Laboraory and understood its mission. I admired the science. I was in a support function (procurement) and interacted with the science side quite often. I learned about neutrinos, heavy water, nanotechnology, monitoring wells concerning the plume, supercomputing, hazardous materials left over from prior experiments and work activities. I worked during the Wen Ho Lee incident and was confused about which side to believe. I worked during the procurement scandal which I knew was greater than publicly published and was disappointed by the outright thievery. I earned undergraduate and graduate degrees from a New Mexico college. My family has been in northern New Mexico for many generations. I was not allowed to speak Spanish while at LANL because the managers did not speak Spanish and felt we were speaking about them (sometimes but mostly we were not). I was paid $20,000 per year less than my white male counterparts and the reason was that the Lab could not afford to provide parity. When my child passed away, the primary concern is when were my contracts going to be awarded. It is greater than soft bigotry. It is a sociopathic culture void of empathy and compassion. It is a culture of me first, my project first, my science first. If an employee can grasp that concept of me first, then the employee can survive but understands it will be difficult to thrive; however, a flower can bloom in the shade with a little nuturing.
A large fraction of the Hispanic New Mexicans are less than 2 generations, this may be up to 50% or more of the group. The group of people going back 20 generations is probably very small at this point.
May 31, 2018 at 9:49 AM
"less than 2 generations" is one generation, a first generation immigrant. You can easily look this up in one minute or less - less than 10% of people who live in New Mexico were born in another country. Assuming that you meant "two generations or less", an additional 11% of the New Mexico population have at least one parent who was born in another country. That totals to 20% of the New Mexico population who are two generation residents or less. That's nowhere near your false claim of "up to 50% or more".
9:49 AM, Why did you make this up when it would take only a minute or two to find out the real facts?
. You can easily look this up in one minute or less - less than 10% of people who live in New Mexico were born in another country.
I did look it up. It is true that 10% of current New Mexicans are born in another country but 40% are born in in another state, so already in generation 0 you are at 50%. Of the current New Mexicans only 50% where born in the state. Soo the number of current
residents of NNM going back 2 generations, by that I mean the current one, the one after that is certainly less than 50%.
Population[edit]
The United States Census Bureau estimates that the population of New Mexico was 2,085,109 on July 1, 2015, a 1.26% increase since the 2010 United States Census.[47] The 2000 United States Census recorded the population of New Mexico to be 1,819,046; ten years later the 2010 United States Census recorded a population of 2,059,179, an 11.7% increase.[50]
Of the people residing in New Mexico, 51.4% were born in New Mexico, 37.9% were born in a different US state, 1.1% were born in Puerto Rico, U.S. Island areas, or born abroad to American parent(s), and 9.7% were foreign born.[51]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico
If half the people in New Mexico are not born in New Mexico you have 50% right off the bat that cannot trace back beyond even one generation. Do this one more time and you only 25%. going back one or two generations. I think you will find extremely few non-native people can go back even four generations.
June 1, 2018 at 7:40 AM
I can agree with the "my project and my science first" attitudes toward anybody in a support role. I truly hope your pay was not effected by being Hispanic but I have seen and reported cases where females were treated as second class by males of all races. The Lab could be a great place but I do have to disagree that people have any national pride in the work. This may have been the case before the transition but I do not see it now. Some of it is because of the end of the Cold War but much of it I think has to do with generational culture.
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