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Thursday, May 6, 2021
Mandatory vaccine?
Should the labs make it mandatory to have a vaccine as a condition of your employment?
20 comments:
Anonymous
said...
Are the labs willing to shoulder the liability of such a requirement? One bad adverse reaction and the tort lawyers talons erupt from the backs of their hands... for a vaccine that has not yet received the “normal” FDA approval.
Are the labs willing to shoulder the liability of such a requirement? One bad adverse reaction and the tort lawyers talons erupt from the backs of their hands... for a vaccine that has not yet received the “normal” FDA approval.
5/06/2021 3:41 PM
This would be the case for every other place that requires a vaccine. I doubt anyone can sue anyone over a bad reaction from a vaccine that Federal government basically wants everyone to take. I think come July they will simply say that anyone who did not take it will not be allowed on site, no allowed to travel ect. They seem to be serious they want everyone to be vaccinated. The only other possibility is that the numbers will be so low by July that they simply say forget it and just let everyone come back in. The problem is this thing could linger on forever or some new variant will arrive every year. No one really knows how long these RNA vaccines even last. One theory as to why they want everyone to get this vaccine as fast as they can is that it is the only chance they have of getting rid of Covid before the vaccines were off and we are back to square one. If you buy this theory then they have to force everyone to get the vaccine within the next 3 or 4 months. They may not want to tell everyone that these vaccines may be only good for less than a year.
Instead of making it a “requirement” the Labs have already decided to simply hobble those employees who do not get a vaccination with travel bans, unwarranted quarantines, and other measures. Welcome to the new normal.
The people who are refusing to get the vaccine are the ones who are preventing what they've always said they wanted: herd immunity. Pretty soon, it is going to be all restrictions off, if you're not vaccinated, you're on your own. No one is going to wear a mask to protect you. The virus will have nowhere to go but to you.
The people who are refusing to get the vaccine are the ones who are preventing what they've always said they wanted: herd immunity. Pretty soon, it is going to be all restrictions off, if you're not vaccinated, you're on your own. No one is going to wear a mask to protect you. The virus will have nowhere to go but to you.
5/07/2021 6:12 PM
I agree that once everyone has the opportunity to get the vaccine than if you don't that just open up and it is on you. An argument against this is that if they all got sick at once then they clog up the system and prevent other people getting the medical are they need. The counter argument that by the time we get to 60 precent vaccinated that this will not happen. Some other arguments I have seen is that many of the vulnerable will not get the the same opportunity to get the vaccine so we need to stay locked down longer. For example there is a large number of undocumented migrants in the US that may want to avoid dealing with the government. Not to mention that there are many other minority groups that simply do not have equal access to medical care and vaccines.
Some other possibilities to encourage people to get vaccinated our to limit their social media access for example Facebook, Twitter or the media could have something that says if you do not show proof of vaccination you will be removed. There can be exceptions for example undocumented workers, marginalized communities ect. We may be able to get banks to go along with this and say that your account could be closed and so on. All this is legal since they are private corporations so you cannot argue that this is anti free speech or whatever nonsense the conspiracy theory people always say. One sure way would to say that if you are not vaccinated we will take your guns away, but that one may not be legal. The lab could also just say no vaccine no employment, we are a an essential critical service and we cannot allow anyone to endanger the other people. Besides do we really want these kinds of people at the lab? In many ways a social credit systems could be hugely beneficial to society I have not seen any rational argument against it that is not some conspiracy theory.
Your arguments why people don't get vaccinated are not compelling. Illegals deserve no protection of the sort afforded to US persons. The risks of entering the US illegally are real and are serious. This is one of them. Don't want to interact with the "government," don't come. In the vaccination scenario in the US today, there is no demographic group or poor community that does not have "equal access" to a vaccine. There just isn't. From inner city tenements to Native American rural areas, anyone who wants a vaccine can get it. Tomorrow, by walking in.
"One sure way would to say that if you are not vaccinated we will take your guns away, but that one may not be legal."
Well why stop at firearms, if you are not vaccinated we will jail you, no need for a trial. But that might not be legal either.
Strike the word vaccinated and put in a phrase such as "if you don't vote as I want you to vote" and see if that puts a satisfied feeling in your mind. If it does, well you may not be type of person we should elect to office, but maybe Cuba is hiring.
Your arguments why people don't get vaccinated are not compelling. Illegals deserve no protection of the sort afforded to US persons. The risks of entering the US illegally are real and are serious. This is one of them. Don't want to interact with the "government," don't come. In the vaccination scenario in the US today, there is no demographic group or poor community that does not have "equal access" to a vaccine. There just isn't. From inner city tenements to Native American rural areas, anyone who wants a vaccine can get it. Tomorrow, by walking in.
5/08/2021 5:35 PM
I do not think you understand how privilege works. If you come from an inner city, you have to work a hard job that you do not like that pays very little and your feel exhausted that no one really cares about your plight. Everyone time you go out you could be killed by the police or accused of crime by privileged people. These things make people reluctant to go outside to get a vaccine. Just walking somewhere is now essentially a crime. I know you have never lived in fear of police so you do not understand this. Perhaps if we disbanded the police people would feel safer about getting a vaccine.
Another is that perhaps many of these people do not trust a system that has created systemic oppression, what is to say that same is not true now, maybe inner cities are getting special batches of vaccines. Maybe the people that give the shots are not as careful as they would be in a wealthy privileged area. Also for many of these people they simply do not have the time they are working to make every dollar count, talking a afternoon off could cause you to lose your job. One the could so is to offer payment for people to get the vaccine. Maybe a couple of hundred dollars. It may not sound like much to you but it is huge amount to many people.
Also your argument about undocumented migrants makes no sense. They are here and if they unvaccinated they are threat to everyone else. The solution is to assure that they will not be reported to a Federal agency to get a vaccine. Again a money incentive for a vaccine could do the trick. The other is simply say no one will deported for the next 2 years period, something Biden should order right now.
Paying people to get a vaccine is actually a real possibly and being looked. NPR has a very nice story on on this.
"Here's how his idea works: Everyone who gets vaccinated would be eligible for a $1,000 payment from the federal government. You'd get $200 for taking both vaccine shots. And then an additional $800 once the country reaches herd immunity."
Vaccinations are being privatized for undocumented migrants already. https://khn.org/news/article/scalises-claim-that-unauthorized-immigrants-are-getting-priority-for-vaccination-misses-the-point/
The real threat to herd immunity are middle class whites who are now refusing the vaccination. The 200 dollars will not matter to them nor the 800 dollars. Many have their own business so cannot be early forced to get it.
The Trumpists refuse to get the vaccine, even though their god got it, but forgot to tell them he did.
5/10/2021 6:04 PM
That makes total sense. Maybe they know that Trump was against vaccines and that is why he did nothing to push their development. This is of course why we did not have a vaccine before Biden can into office and started the vaccine development. This is on top of Trump being responsible for the pipeline hack from his bosses in Russia. Russia as we all know is also anti-vax. Thank god we have intelligent people like you on this blog who are really smart to see through all the bs to point out the Trump supporters are really dumb uneducated people. Can we please have more of your wisdom.
Got two shots of that Trump vaccine. No worries. Short lines. No “privilege” required.
5/14/2021 6:39 PM
Trump vaccine? Excuse but Trump wanted people to inject bleach. What on earth does he have to do with a vaccine. There was never a warp speed people had been working on vaccines for Covid like viruses for years and years. If anything Trump was late to the game. This is not to mention that the vaccine work did not really get going until Biden came. Trump totally dropped the ball on this. The United States was by far the worst hit country. Look at Europe, Japan, Canada and Australia. How is that countries with a real leader did not have the massive death toll that the US had? Do you honestly thing the death toll would not have been 10-100 times less if Hillary had won. No it is not the Trump vaccine.
All the countries you mention are far behind the US in vaccination rates. It is just not true that "vaccine work did not really get going until Biden came." That's just blatant rewriting of history. Usually people don't try to rewrite history until the people who actually experienced it are dead. You're not very good at it.
That's just blatant rewriting of history. Usually people don't try to rewrite history until the people who actually experienced it are dead. You're not very good at it.
5/15/2021 5:22 PM
I am not rewriting history. Also I never said that the other countries where ahead of the US in terms of vaccination rates. What I said is that the other countries particularly first world countries have literally all handled the pandemic was better than the US did and hence have much better numbers. If you look at the word the US is the #1 in terms of death. India may get there but you cannot compare India to the US because they have so many more people. Please do not put words into my mouth. Also if you look into when most people got the vaccine it is is after Biden was sworn in.
Also if you look into when most people got the vaccine it is is after Biden was sworn in.
5/15/2021 9:20 PM
So that means Biden gets credit for it? When did the vaccines get produced? When did they get shipped? When did the appointment scheduling systems get set up? What a joke.
20 comments:
Are the labs willing to shoulder the liability of such a requirement? One bad adverse reaction and the tort lawyers talons erupt from the backs of their hands... for a vaccine that has not yet received the “normal” FDA approval.
They should have a VSIP for people that don’t want it. Fewer lawsuits that way.
Are the labs willing to shoulder the liability of such a requirement? One bad adverse reaction and the tort lawyers talons erupt from the backs of their hands... for a vaccine that has not yet received the “normal” FDA approval.
5/06/2021 3:41 PM
This would be the case for every other place that requires a vaccine. I doubt anyone can sue anyone over a bad reaction from a vaccine that Federal government basically wants everyone to take. I think come July they will simply say that anyone who did not take it will not be allowed on site, no allowed to travel ect. They seem to be serious they want everyone to be vaccinated. The only other possibility is that the numbers will be so low by July that they simply say forget it and just let everyone come back in. The problem is this thing could linger on forever or some new variant will arrive every year. No one really knows how long these RNA vaccines even last. One theory as to why they want everyone to get this vaccine as fast as they can is that it is the only chance they have of getting rid of Covid before the vaccines were off and we are back to square one. If you buy this theory then they have to force everyone to get the vaccine within the next 3 or 4 months. They may not want to tell everyone that these vaccines may be only good for less than a year.
Instead of making it a “requirement” the Labs have already decided to simply hobble those employees who do not get a vaccination with travel bans, unwarranted quarantines, and other measures. Welcome to the new normal.
The people who are refusing to get the vaccine are the ones who are preventing what they've always said they wanted: herd immunity. Pretty soon, it is going to be all restrictions off, if you're not vaccinated, you're on your own. No one is going to wear a mask to protect you. The virus will have nowhere to go but to you.
The people who are refusing to get the vaccine are the ones who are preventing what they've always said they wanted: herd immunity. Pretty soon, it is going to be all restrictions off, if you're not vaccinated, you're on your own. No one is going to wear a mask to protect you. The virus will have nowhere to go but to you.
5/07/2021 6:12 PM
I agree that once everyone has the opportunity to get the vaccine than if you don't that just open up and it is on you. An argument against this is that if they all got sick at once then they clog up the system and prevent other people getting the medical are they need. The counter argument that by the time we get to 60 precent vaccinated that this will not happen. Some other arguments I have seen is that many of the vulnerable will not get the the same opportunity to get the vaccine so we need to stay locked down longer. For example there is a large number of undocumented migrants in the US that may want to avoid dealing with the government. Not to mention that there are many other minority groups that simply do not have equal access to medical care and vaccines.
Some other possibilities to encourage people to get vaccinated our to limit their social media access for example Facebook, Twitter or the media could have something that says if you do not show proof of vaccination you will be removed. There can be exceptions for example undocumented workers, marginalized communities ect. We may be able to get banks to go along with this and say that your account could be closed and so on. All this is legal since they are private corporations so you cannot argue that this is anti free speech or whatever nonsense the conspiracy theory people always say. One sure way would to say that if you are not vaccinated we will take your guns away, but that one may not be legal. The lab could also just say no vaccine no employment, we are a an essential critical service and we cannot allow anyone to endanger the other people. Besides do we really want these kinds of people at the lab? In many ways a social credit systems could be hugely beneficial to society I have not seen any rational argument against it that is not some conspiracy theory.
5/07/2021 8:40 PM
Your arguments why people don't get vaccinated are not compelling. Illegals deserve no protection of the sort afforded to US persons. The risks of entering the US illegally are real and are serious. This is one of them. Don't want to interact with the "government," don't come. In the vaccination scenario in the US today, there is no demographic group or poor community that does not have "equal access" to a vaccine. There just isn't. From inner city tenements to Native American rural areas, anyone who wants a vaccine can get it. Tomorrow, by walking in.
"One sure way would to say that if you are not vaccinated we will take your guns away, but that one may not be legal."
Well why stop at firearms, if you are not vaccinated we will jail you, no need for a trial. But that might not be legal either.
Strike the word vaccinated and put in a phrase such as "if you don't vote as I want you to vote" and see if that puts a satisfied feeling in your mind. If it does, well you may not be type of person we should elect to office, but maybe Cuba is hiring.
Your arguments why people don't get vaccinated are not compelling. Illegals deserve no protection of the sort afforded to US persons. The risks of entering the US illegally are real and are serious. This is one of them. Don't want to interact with the "government," don't come. In the vaccination scenario in the US today, there is no demographic group or poor community that does not have "equal access" to a vaccine. There just isn't. From inner city tenements to Native American rural areas, anyone who wants a vaccine can get it. Tomorrow, by walking in.
5/08/2021 5:35 PM
I do not think you understand how privilege works. If you come from an inner city, you have to work a hard job that you do not like that pays very little and your feel exhausted that no one really cares about your plight. Everyone time you go out you could be killed by the police or accused of crime by privileged people. These things make people reluctant to go outside to get a vaccine. Just walking somewhere is now essentially a crime. I know you have never lived in fear of police so you do not understand this. Perhaps if we disbanded the police people would feel safer about getting a vaccine.
Another is that perhaps many of these people do not trust a system that has created systemic oppression, what is to say that same is not true now, maybe inner cities are getting special batches of vaccines. Maybe the people that give the shots are not as careful as they would be in a wealthy privileged area. Also for many of these people they simply do not have the time they are working to make every dollar count, talking a afternoon off could cause you to lose your job. One the could so is to offer payment for people to get the vaccine. Maybe a couple of hundred dollars. It may not sound like much to you but it is huge amount to many people.
Also your argument about undocumented migrants makes no sense. They are here and if they unvaccinated they are threat to everyone else. The solution is to assure that they will not be reported to a Federal agency to get a vaccine. Again a money incentive for a vaccine could do the trick. The other is simply say no one will deported for the next 2 years period, something Biden should order right now.
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/13/955594105/should-the-government-pay-people-to-get-vaccinated-some-economists-think-so
Paying people to get a vaccine is actually a real possibly and being looked. NPR has a very nice story on on this.
"Here's how his idea works: Everyone who gets vaccinated would be eligible for a $1,000 payment from the federal government. You'd get $200 for taking both vaccine shots. And then an additional $800 once the country reaches herd immunity."
Vaccinations are being privatized for undocumented migrants already.
https://khn.org/news/article/scalises-claim-that-unauthorized-immigrants-are-getting-priority-for-vaccination-misses-the-point/
The real threat to herd immunity are middle class whites who are now refusing the vaccination. The 200 dollars will not matter to them nor the 800 dollars. Many have their own business so cannot be early forced to get it.
The Trumpists refuse to get the vaccine, even though their god got it, but forgot to tell them he did.
The Trumpists refuse to get the vaccine, even though their god got it, but forgot to tell them he did.
5/10/2021 6:04 PM
That makes total sense. Maybe they know that Trump was against vaccines and that is why he did nothing to push their development. This is of course why we did not have a vaccine before Biden can into office and started the vaccine development. This is on top of Trump being responsible for the pipeline hack from his bosses in Russia. Russia as we all know is also anti-vax. Thank god we have intelligent people like you on this blog who are really smart to see through all the bs to point out the Trump supporters are really dumb uneducated people. Can we please have more of your wisdom.
Got two shots of that Trump vaccine. No worries. Short lines. No “privilege” required.
Got two shots of that Trump vaccine. No worries. Short lines. No “privilege” required.
5/14/2021 6:39 PM
Trump vaccine? Excuse but Trump wanted people to inject bleach. What on earth does he have to do with a vaccine. There was never a warp speed people had been working on vaccines for Covid like viruses for years and years. If anything Trump was late to the game. This is not to mention that the vaccine work did not really get going until Biden came. Trump totally dropped the ball on this. The United States was by far the worst hit country. Look at Europe, Japan, Canada and Australia. How is that countries with a real leader did not have the massive death toll that the US had? Do you honestly thing the death toll would not have been 10-100 times less if Hillary had won. No it is not the Trump vaccine.
The US had a higher death rate due to our obesity.
Joe Biden got his 2nd dose of the vaccine on Jan 11, 9 days before he took office. Yup, Trump didn't have a hand in that.
5/14/2021 10:13 PM
All the countries you mention are far behind the US in vaccination rates. It is just not true that "vaccine work did not really get going until Biden came." That's just blatant rewriting of history. Usually people don't try to rewrite history until the people who actually experienced it are dead. You're not very good at it.
That's just blatant rewriting of history. Usually people don't try to rewrite history until the people who actually experienced it are dead. You're not very good at it.
5/15/2021 5:22 PM
I am not rewriting history. Also I never said that the other countries where ahead of the US in terms of vaccination rates. What I said is that the other countries particularly first world countries have literally all handled the pandemic was better than the US did and hence have much better numbers. If you look at the word the US is the #1 in terms of death. India may get there but you cannot compare India to the US because they have so many more people. Please do not put words into my mouth. Also if you look into when most people got the vaccine it is is after Biden was sworn in.
Also if you look into when most people got the vaccine it is is after Biden was sworn in.
5/15/2021 9:20 PM
So that means Biden gets credit for it? When did the vaccines get produced? When did they get shipped? When did the appointment scheduling systems get set up? What a joke.
Please do not put words into my mouth. Also if you look into when most people got the vaccine it is is after Biden was sworn in.
5/15/2021 9:20 PM
The virtue signaling, entitlement and denial of basic facts will never end. Time to just settle in for the long haul (again).
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