I just want to know if we'll have a winter shutdown for December 2019? The new LANL calendars were printed up and noticed there is no winter closure that we normally have.
Tri-Valley Cares needs to be on this if they aren't already. We need to make sure that NNSA and LLNL does not make good on promises to pursue such stupid ideas as doing Plutonium experiments on NIF. The stupidity arises from the fact that a huge population is placed at risk in the short and long term. Why do this kind of experiment in a heavily populated area? Only a moron would push that kind of imbecile area. Do it somewhere else in the god forsaken hills of Los Alamos. Why should the communities in the Bay Area be subjected to such increased risk just because the lab's NIF has failed twice and is trying the Hail Mary pass of doing an SNM experiment just to justify their existence? Those Laser EoS techniques and the people analyzing the raw data are all just BAD anyways. You know what comes next after they do the experiment. They'll figure out that they need larger samples. More risk for the local population. Stop this imbecilic pursuit. They wan...
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2018 we lost energy conservation day which was a holiday. We have to use 4 vacation days instead of 3 for the winter shutdown.
2019 the new LANL calendars have been printed and there is no blocked winter closure for end of December which I'm guessing would be 12/26, 12/27, 12/30, 12/31, 1/1 holiday and 1/2 return back to work.
What Triad really needs to do is get rid of the 9-80, it is totally abused by many sections of the lab. Now I know some sections do put in the hours such as the manufacturing sections but everything else is a complete joke. The lab is empty at 8AM and the cars are rolling at 3pm and by 5pm it is empty and Fridays it is a ghost town. Even with this people are freaking out that they lost two holidays. The place is just bizarre.
So Triad needs to get rid of this or actually start enforcing rules. You simply cannot get any paper work done before 10AM, after 3pm, most Thursdays and every Friday. It is like working in a 3rd world country at times. I know some people don't care and happy if nothing gets done but there are still lots of hard workers who take pride in the job who just want something functions.
I don't know what paper work you are referring to. The only issue I have seen is when there is a network problem and getting replacement parts. Even then, it's still fairly speedy fix. However, I don't really do paper work. I work.
Most people I know work more then their 36/44 hours. Change divisions or find a job that requires less pushing of paper :)
Watching other folks time and being bitter about it is not healthy. Lots of folks work part-time, catch up with work from home, and just have more flexible jobs. It's not your job to police people you know nothing about.
I am sincerely sorry that you are upset with other's schedules. Perhaps it's time to find a place that you find that suits you better?
Customer service ends at 3pm Monday through Wed, it ends on 12pm Thursdays and does not exist on Fridays. It also starts at 9AM
not 8AM. This is simply a fact of life at LANL. Of course there are exceptions but you will be hard pressed to find anyone who disagrees with this assessment of the work hours at LANL.
All people are asking is that LANL operates at least like every other first world operation in which things can be done 8 hours a day during.
The 8-5pm does not even add up in terms of hours if you are on the 9-80. 8-5pm is considered a standard 8 hour week in most places since there is a 1/2 hour lunch break and two other 15-20min lunch break. In principle one could be able to get costumer service done either at 7 AM or 6pm since the lab should be half full.
Again the lab is clearing out by 3:30pm every day, so the idea that people are even working 8 hours is not true. Also how is it that the lab only has 1/3-1/4 of the people on Fridays not to mention it is completly empty at 3pm every Friday. Everybody knows the 9-80 is completely abused, are you seriously saying it is not?
I am glad you work your required hours, but be very honest and ask yourself this, is everyone doing the same as your or is there a significant amount of people who are abusing the systems. Another questions to ask is if the abuse has increased over the last five years? Recently LANS put out a plot showing the LANL is not at an all time low in terms of incidences and injuries, which is good however I contend that is directly proportional to the sum of the hours being worked and that there has been a decrease in the number of insight workhorse which is the reason for the decrease in the injury rate.
I am sick of bitter people making the people who like flexible hours as their escape goats. Just because you waited all day until you put in your support request and it cannot be done because it is so last second is you problem not the problem of the productive people who on occasion like to have a Friday off. I agree with 8:20 AM perhaps it is time for you to find another job but you will still find find you should mind your own business and not care about how others people use their work hours. It is not your business, it is not your concern, and it has no effect whatsoever on you. On the other hand your negative attitude effects everyone around you.
Policy P730-1, Rev 4. int.lanl.gov/policy/documents/P730-1.pdf
3.2 Laboratory Holidays
Laboratory holidays:
New Year’s Day Veteran’s Day
Martin Luther King Jr. Day Thanksgiving Day
Presidents’ Day Friday after Thanksgiving
Memorial Day Christmas Day
Independence Day Labor Day
Holidays declared by the President of the United States
for the nation
3.3 Winter Closure
The Laboratory is closed between the Christmas and New Year’s holidays each year. The actual period of closure varies with the days on which the holidays occur, but the closure normally includes five or more weekdays.
3.3.1 Conditions of Closure
Nonexempt employees are prohibited from working on-site or at home during the closure unless an exception has been granted. Exempt employees are prohibited from working on-site unless an exception has been granted.
Exceptions: When exceptions are necessary for essential services during the closure period, the manager must submit a written request before closure begins to the division-level manager for approval.
3.3.2 Reporting Attendance During Closure
Employees may use vacation or leave without pay in combination with the declared holidays to cover the days the Laboratory is closed. An employee who uses leave without pay during closure receives holiday pay if the employee is in pay status on the last scheduled workday before closure or the first
BTW I don't work for a service organization. I just never have trouble getting service.
It appears you just are not happy with other people's work ethics or with posted hours of service.
Flexible time works.
November 2, 2018 at 6:37 AM
Sure the posted hours may say 9 but try getting hold of one these at 3:30 pm, 8:30AM or any Friday, and you get nothing.
" I just never have trouble getting service. "
I am not buying it. Literally everyone I know has issues with services particularly the working hours so it is rather odd that you would be one exception.
Flexible time could work if done right but at LANL it is abused and everyone knows this, I suspect you know this as well.
So your attitude about the shortened-hours customer service job you supposedly do is "It is not your business, it is not your concern, and it has no effect whatsoever on you." Isn't the effect on your CUSTOMERS the entire point?
BTW, I have no idea what "escape goats" are, but you might have meant "scapegoats." That is if you had any education at all. Or maybe you are just used to your goats getting loose.
November 2, 2018 at 6:45 PM
Flexible hours do work well for everyone when they are not abused but at LANL it is severely abused and it effects those that do not abuse it. The system is pretty messed up and Triad better be careful that the media or some outside agency does not find out about just how bad it has gotten. I guess what when that does happen which is probably a matter of time the 9-80 will be eliminated for everyone including those such as myself and maybe some of you that do not abuse it. If you want to keep the 9-80 it is not advisable to simply ignore or deny the rampant abuse.
I am not sure which part of the lab you work but some parts it is a policy that time needs to be put in by 10AM Thurs since so many people are gone after noon on Thursdays and absent Fridays. This actually a policy in some divisions and you get put on vacation for the week if you try and put in your time on a Thursday afternoon. I know some of the posters know which divisions these are and can confirm. This is violation as I understand you need to put your time on the last day of the week you worked just like it is on every other work place. Also oddly enough you there are numerous times that time is due on Wed if there is Monday holiday the following week since everyone will be gone from Thur-Tues. I have been to several admin offices on a Fridays and the lights are out the doors are locked even though the official lab policy is that at some one has to be there. On those rare Fridays that someone is in, they are gone by 1pm. This is not just one office this numerous ones.
Flexible time is fine but you need to put in 40 hours a week on AVERAGE, it does not mean 30 hours a week Average. Also several people have said the same thing that you have that they work from home. This is the biggest crock on nonsense I have ever heard as one would need to have official permission do to this but none of them had, not to mention it makes no sense in most of these service positions.
As for the "I come in at 6AM", no you do not, the parking lots are empty at 6AM-7:30am, everyone knows this. As for I work until 6pm, no you do not the parking lots are empty 5pm aren half full at 4pm. I have also heard that I work during my lunch break, no you do not there is a big sign in front of the door saying at lunch, not to quibble but these signs are often out from 11.30AM-1.30PM.
Here is a simple math exercise. Even if you work 8AM to 5PM every day you get 40 hours a week, by the standard workday practice not 45 hours. Heck I would be happy if people did work 8-5pm which would mean that if you need something done a 4.01pm you could get it done but again people are leaving the leaving the lab at 3:30pm. Don't believe me, just look at Diamond drive at 3:35pm
next Monday and you well see what I mean with a long line of cars leaving. Look again at 5.10pm and the traffic is much lower. Come in at 7:30 AM plenty parking, come in at 9.30AM and it is all gone.
How about another test, look at the people who come to LANL on the bus from Santa Fe. The bus that arrives at 8.42AM bus is packed, look at the people, go back to the bus stop for the 4:32pm bus depature...it is again packed with the same people.
Sorry the numbers just don't add up and everyone knows what is going on.
November 3, 2018 at 12:44 AM
You are correct, but since the offenders are valley people and Hispanic, nothing will ever be done since it would be politically incorrect and subject management to charges of bigotry, racism, or worse.
It is simple it is 9 hours a day, 5 days plus 4 equals the 9 hours for the Friday. Before 9-80 people counted lunch and breaks for 8-5pm, now I talk about work during lunch. Not to mention I read emails from home. By the way the issue on Fridays is that most people pick the same same schedule so of course every other Friday is close to empty, duh. You should not even be at work yourself so why are you complaining. Also the other Friday is often the day that people take their vacation for a three day weekend, or take sick leave for a doctors appointment, and some even work maybe 10 hours a day a week so every Friday off is not an unreasoble expectation.
Flexible time has been wonderful and it WORKS, it is not your concern what other people do with their time, it does not effect you. All you have to do is adjust your hours, you should not be waiting until Friday for something to be done, and even waiting until Thur afternoon since it is usually very busy. Try and get things done from 8-5pm Mon to Wed like everyone else rather than judge people who have more than just work in their lives. If this does not work for you than perhaps it is time to find a new place to work.
Arrogant and entitled. And not inclined to work much. Perfect employee. All too typical of "service" organizations.
Ok, when is your "start time", when do you leave "your supposed to". Be real honest with this please. If you are coming in at 8AM you should be leaving at 6pm, but when do you actually come in what is your start time? I am assuming you are gone at 5pm from what you have previsuly said.
We await you reply.
I came into work a few times at 6:30-7.00AM to grab a few things when I was headed out for travel. Every single time in the entire building I was the only person. The parking lot had exactly one car, so don't give me "I come in at 6:30AM" crap. Heck the only person I know was even at the lab at this hour was the guy at the guard gate. I urge Triad to look into this and stop the abuse.
Nonsense the parking lot is more than half empty at 8AM at TA-3. Maybe you work in TA-55 and things are different but at TA-3 the parking lot is always half empty at 8AM. Also at 6:30 AM along Pajarito there are not masses of cars. At 8AM-9AM there are masses of cars. At TA-3 the parking lots are empty at 7:00 AM, and almost completely empty at 5pm.
Also look at Pajartio at 3:30pm and than you again have masses of cars on their way out.
I agree that for different parts of the lab things could be different, for example security, maintenance or production work people should have specific schedules and maybe even a official clock in time but saying your experience is representative of the entire lab is just flat out wrong.
Please don't assume when you know nothing about my work schedule. Why are you questioning my arrival and departure times? Are you guilty of something?
What are your working hours? Are you here on time/when you are supposed to be? Do you leave when you are supposed to? Are you taking your lunches accordingly?
When I arrive to work in my area at least, the parking lot is almost full and most people are at work, in fact, I'm probably one of the ones who arrives at the later working hour which is 8:00am Most everyone else starts earlier than that.
I would say there are people who abuse arrival/departure and lunches but that is not the majority of employees at least in my area. I don't know what goes on in other areas of the lab that I don't work in.
That is completely and utterly wrong for you to say. Are you prejudice against people from the Valley who are Hispanic? Unless you can provide solid proof, then I would retract your comment.
November 3, 2018 at 12:44 AM
You are correct, but since the offenders are valley people and Hispanic, nothing will ever be done since it would be politically incorrect and subject management to charges of bigotry, racism, or worse.
November 3, 2018 at 6:26 PM
Uh, heavy traffic down the hill at 3:30 pm?
November 7, 2018 at 5:11 PM
It actually starts at 3:00pm. By 4.00pm it is just crazy. In fact 8-9AM and 3:30pm-4.30pm are the worst. Friday totally empty with no traffic at all. In fact Thursday is pretty dead as well, Monday not so bad. Tues-Wed you have the most traffic, expect if it is Monday holiday in which case Wed is dead as well. Tues is the work day at LANL, strong strange place.
November 10, 2018 at 4:48 PM"
Interesting, I am not sure how one would get the data but that sure would be something to see. How about this you go get the data and show how all these statements are "ridiculous".
I've been at TA-3 in the morning for or a meeting or to visit the badge office, the lot is full by 8 a.m. How do I know this? I try to get over there by 7:30 to get a stupid parking place. Again, if people are abusing 9-80's they will abuse 5-8's because that is a character issue or a management issue within the different groups, but not representative of the lab as a whole. It's really not that hard to comprehend.