Tuesday, August 27, 2019
Triad chip?
The Triad chip is coming? There is talk that LANL, LLNL and NNSA in general will be part of a "body chip program". It will make getting and maintaining a clearance much faster and easier. It should be more secure and lead to more accountability when it comes to contracts. Hell it will not only be able to track every country and state you go but may be able to tell which things you read on the internet like which blogs you post to? Has anyone else heard about this? I guess the idea is that no one will complain when it comes to the nuclear weapons labs but this thing is going to be rolled out to the entire government workforce at some point.
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Actually, they are implanting nano-circuit technology into every roll of tinfoil. That way your own hat serves as the beacon and neural interface.
SMH
Explain how having a RFID chip implanted will make getting a clearance easier to get. It can certainly make authentication quicker for locks, gates, computer terminals. Some companies use it for convenient shopping at their vending machines and cafeterias.
Convenient, yes. A bridge too far, hell yeah. At least a GPS ankle monitor can be sawn off, this device is inside you and happily relaying data to any RFID scanner in the vicinity. In theory you will be under surveillance 24/7 by a network run by DOE, Google, Amazon, and anyone else who wants to snoop on you. Don't assume that info is not going to leak out either, the Office of Personnel Management has already demonstrated through multiple security breaches that it cannot be trusted to safeguard our sensitive personal information. Commercial companies are no better at security, when they are not overtly selling the info to someone.
Chips strip you of what little privacy is left today. That alone is worth the fight against their use.
I have to agree. After OPM let the cat out of the bag for my identity.
I have to think twice if I want to work for any agency that OPM is responsible
for. I have to thank OPM for my getting to know and use IRS Form 14039, the
Identity Theft Affidavit. The money and time spent with the CPA along with the
hours at the IRS Office. You bring these RFID things in, and I am OUTAHERE!!
Chip implant for a security clearance = sayonara. You ain't that great to work for anyway.
It sounds bit like science fiction but I think it is inevitable. One thing is that it will be more convenient and a number of people will simply say, why not I have nothing to hide. Also it will probably be more natural for young people to go along with this stuff, and after a bit of time enough people will have it that it will be very difficult to get along without one. Obviously classified work is where this will be rolled out first since it is simply for security, after that it will be sued for not so classified and down the line. I doubt NNSA will be the first, it will be the military first, than NNSA, NSA, and so on. I give it 5-7 years and everyone will have these things.
It may be just 5-7 years away. The latest generation cares less about privacy, they focus on being interconnected. To them, having a chip implanted could be cool. Many would love to be able to unlock a terminal with a wave of their hand.
It certainly would make computer security stronger. Arguably not any stronger than using thumbprints or retinal scans. However RFID is longer ranged, requiring less specialized equipment. Which is why I suspect DOE is looking into this technology - it's cheaper.
The downside from an individual perspective is that RFID is passive. A thumbprint or retinal scan requires a person to overtly interact with a scanner. With RFID you may be scanned without ever even knowing a scanner is there. This is already a problem with chip-enabled credit cards and passports. To keep identity thieves from scanning those items special RF shielded wallets and bags have been developed. People may very well end up wearing shielded gloves or other apparel in order to silence the implanted chips.
While that may work, the gloves will become a stigma. Questions will arise about why gloves are being worn, what are you hiding? Even worse, why are you wearing gloves here and now?
One other question should be raised. Besides ID, what other functions will this chip have? A heart-rate/stress monitor comes to mind. Instant polygraph, scannable anytime DOE feels like it. I'm sure other more insidious ideas could be thought up, but let's keep the speculation to probable concepts.
Not happening to me, ever. I guarantee it. My 30+ year Q clearance notwithstanding.
Stop hyperventilating. Passive technology — facial recognition and other biometrics — will make an “implanted chip” approach obsolete. Your new iPhone has already implemented it. Even NNSA uses it already — fingerprints and hand geometry have been part of the Argus system for a long time.
But the tin-foil hat paranoiacs will always be imagining their next encounter with anal probe technology.
Not happening to me, ever. I guarantee it. My 30+ year Q clearance notwithstanding.
8/29/2019 5:26 PM
If the do something like this it will be for new employees not old ones. Someone pointed out that young people will embrace this type of thing.
The chip is only for trolls. Enjoy yours.
8/30/2019 5:39 AM
No one is hyperventilating, just discussing the ramifications of a new technology that could be coming to Triad.
FYI - RFID is the emerging tech, not biometrics.
Companies are already experimenting in this area.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/25/539265157/wisconsin-company-plans-to-start-implanting-chips-in-its-employees
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/sj-rail-train-tickets-hand-implant-microchip-biometric-sweden-a7793641.html
There is plenty of serious discussion about the ethics of chipping, it's hardly some fringe topic for conspiracy addicts.
Hmm, my only comment to add to this. When the government can track you everywhere you go, monitor everything you do, say, eat, drink, and whatever else the chip might relay back to them, how much would it take to put a dead man switch into the chip?
Against it. Reasons not required.
"how much would it take to put a dead man switch into the chip?"
There are some upsides, suppose you have a terror situation, school shooting, or hostage situation. The ability to hit a dead man switch would probably save lots of lives.
The whole thing could be more on a volunteer basis. If you have a chip you could have lower insurance rates, faster security checks for airports, easier to find if you get lost hiking, and will lower crime.
Say what you want but there are some advantages to this and many people will be just fine with it.
The NRA should be all for this. They have always said that guns do not kill people, people kill people. So register people and put a chip in them.
8/31/2019 1:34 PM
That was supposed to be serious? Why not just keep crazy people from owning guns? Oops, not PC enough for you?
It is completely PC to me because the first people on my crazy list are the NRA.
Try meeting some people who belong to the NRA. If you don't live in CA they are on your block, in your neighborhood, and you probably already know them. If you live in CA, you are toast anyway.
I live in the Rocky Mountains and I know plenty of people in the NRA, a few with an arsenal in their house. I have been threatened by a member of the NRA. This has partially influenced my opinions. I do not consider them friends.
Let me guess, you are a ultra-liberal living in Boulder, CO, who makes it plain to your less-than-liberal neighbors that you hate them.
I know some gun owners who are perfectly fine stable people and who are not NRA members, however the NRA members that I do know are either outright insane, and I mean really insane or are out and out and out evil people who simply talk about shooting people all the time. I find both types rather scary. Just my experience for what it is worth. I doubt we need a chip for these people, just a criminal record and psych evaluation before you get a gun. I am pretty sure some of the NRA members I know must have prior interactions with law enforcement, at the very least a few misdemeanors. Some of these people have not had a job for some time, so nothing is up.
I am 2:44AM, not 7:29 PM. So there are two of us now that are not friends with the NRA. I suspect there are more. I did not realise there were less-than-liberal people in Boulder. Anyway I am not in Boulder. And I am not a liberal nor do I hate conservatives. But this interaction has now reached the point that it serves no purpose, if it ever did. I was only pointing out that if you want to keep crazy people away from guns you must determine legally throughout the entire population who is crazy and who is not and keep records on everyone. There will have to be a legal system with definitions of what is crazy and tests that society can agree are correct. You might need to amend the constitution because it does not exclude crazies from the right to bear arms. Enough.
7:29 “your experience” runs completely counter to the fact that NRA members, millions of them, are statistically among the safest and most law abiding citizens in the country. You may find them “insane”, but that won’t change their rights at all. Ever. See how that works? Now you can go back to your little leftist fantasy bubble.
True, the NRA has been less than exemplary lately, and that disturbs me greatly. But the vast majority of its members are fine upstanding, conservative, legal gun owners who enjoy membership in an association of like-minded people who value Second Amendment rights and having a strong organization which will work to protect those rights.
first step - an innocent chip, for access control and safety.
Second step - Use chip for timecard tracking.
Third step - Replace chip with exploding collar AKA "The Running Man". Head thru the gate 2 minutes before your shift ends? BOOM!
First step: "Hell no, you are not putting that thing in me. I quit! And you'll hear from my lawyer."
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