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Anti- fascists: trump's enemy

 Well, Trump just declared "an idea" as a terrorists threat!


Section 1. Antifa as a Terrorist Threat. Antifa is a militarist, anarchist enterprise that explicitly calls for the overthrow of the United States Government, law enforcement authorities, and our system of law. It uses illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide to accomplish these goals. This campaign involves coordinated efforts to obstruct enforcement of Federal laws through armed standoffs with law enforcement, organized riots, violent assaults on Immigration and Customs Enforcement and other law enforcement officers, and routine doxing of and other threats against political figures and activists. Antifa recruits, trains, and radicalizes young Americans to engage in this violence and suppression of political activity, then employs elaborate means and mechanism

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Anonymous said…
This is an interesting video that claims to go into some of the background behind antifa and other related groups:

https://youtu.be/HBvkunoKHkw?si=X4Bumo1LtIHfk3Yy

There are more videos in this series as well for example the following:

https://youtu.be/XQdqHu-hQFY?si=q62L9y4fqWs9jHf0

https://youtu.be/W_01LumgurY?si=LSXdgo0Sq1b508vS

https://youtu.be/xePc0HGLH20?si=JGDWEGiVb910-2pv
Anonymous said…
So if you anti antifa your are a fascist? How does that logic work.

Never mind that simply calling someone today “anti fascist” doesn’t make them automatically a good person…

Never mind that if the KKK suddenly called themselves the “totally not racist club” that wouldn’t mean they’re totally not racist…

Never mind that the average WWII soldier’s beliefs were probably much closer to those of the conservative commenter who was just murdered and labeled an extremist bigot by the Left than anyone actually on the Left today…

Comparing rich kids who wear masks, block traffic, and shout the latest Leftist slogan at people just trying to get to work to WWII soldiers who stormed the beaches of Normandy on D-day is EXTREMELY PATHETIC AND EMBARRASSING.
Anonymous said…
This article is also informative as it points out many people have misconceptions about extremism, which it attempts to address:

https://www.csis.org/analysis/left-wing-terrorism-and-political-violence-united-states-what-data-tells-us

Similarly, while less than 4 percent of Americans express support for partisan violence such as assault, arson, or murder, both sides greatly overestimate their opponent’s willingness to endorse such actions, with Democrats believing 45.5 percent of Republicans support partisan murder, and Republicans believing that 42 percent of Democrats do."
Anonymous said…
I just have real pessimism that we can bridge the divide. I know tons of families that have kids or family members who will no longer interact with the rest of the family since they feel the rest of the family is "fascists" and "racists" or "evil". What is so stunning is in every single instance it is always one side that will not debate, will not discuss, will not reason, but just throw out slogans, tantrums and insults. It always the same they simply claim you are a brainwashed MAGA who just listens to Fox news propoganda. Yet if you ask them to explain why exactly they believe that or can they back up their claims, they always disengage. No debate, no discussion. Every time. I am always willing change my mind and compromise and listen. I one side has their mind made up and will not change and just considers one side to be evil I am not sure how you can make progress. One side thinks the left is irrational and crazy and the side thinks the right is evil. I do not see how you bridge that gap.
Anonymous said…
About cutting friends and family off. It in fact appears to be something very liberal people do, followed by liberal people. Moderates are the lest likely. I suspect that the libertarians would be the absolute lowest. I consider my self to be libertarian, of course I am moderate one because I think we do need things like roads, fire departments and so on, but in my heart I am really libertarian to the core but I admit it has some practical issues. I have friends from all walks of life and affiliations and I find it repugnant that I would cut someone off because of their religion, politics, stances and so on. One advantage I have as libertarian is that I can always find some common ground with with people on some topic so I stick with that approach. I have noticed that you have to be careful around "liberals" about what you say. Oddly enough they are very similar to deeply fundamental religious people. Here is link to a study showing this. Another thing I often see with young people especially liberals is how they see older people as both evil and stupid. I have encountered that many times and this is one of the reasons grandparents and parents are often cut off. In the study below they find "boomers" are the most
tolerant of people. The trend is clear liberal and very liberal people are far more likely to cutt off friends and family than conservatives. Another fun fact is if you look at Fig.3 very conservative ticks up again, which matches with my experience that very liberal and very conservative people actually have a very similar worldview.

https://research.skeptic.com/who-is-severing-ties-with-friends-and-family-over-politics/

Anonymous said…
MAGA supported trump in his 1st term. They knew he was all talk, racist and incompetent. Yet, they voted for him in '24. That's insanity. You don't negotiate with insanity. Period .
Anonymous said…
Libertarianism is outdated.
There are only 2 sides now. MAGA and all others. You seem to be MAGA.
Anonymous said…
"Libertarianism is outdated.
There are only 2 sides now. MAGA and all others. You seem to be MAGA. "

"MAGA supported trump in his 1st term. They knew he was all talk, racist and incompetent. Yet, they voted for him in '24. That's insanity. You don't negotiate with insanity. Period . "

9:27 AM Your pessimism seems justified.

Now do you see why the divide is too great. "You don't negotiate with insanity. Period ."

How do you think this ends?

For any student of history, just rearrange these statements and replace "insanity" with Jew, Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Communist, Nazi, Atheist, Monarchist, Tutsi, Armenian, Bengalis, Black, White, and Bolsheviks.

You can argue forever on who is on the wrong side of history, but a safe rule
are the side that " does not negotiate" are generally on the wrong side.



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