Evidently, the Republicans are planning to defund much of the Federal government and eliminate so-called "experts":
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservatives-aim-to-restructure-u-s-government-and-replace-it-with-trumps-vision
Will this affect the labs, especially once AI exceeds human intelligence?
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At some point you guys need to stop believing all the the hype. You would figure after 8 years of media insanity that anyone while a IQ above 90 would figure out that the all this stuff is just hysteria, we have been running this experiment long enough to figure this out.
I guess the idea is that if Trump wins again, it will be hell on earth, the end of the world as we know it, we will have wars, inflation, crime, suppression of free speech, homelessness, economic downturns, Covid will kill more people and targeting of a large percentage of the US populations as enemies. So I am now afraid and I do not want any of those things to happen, news reporting like this keeps me informed.
Also if they somehow get rid of the thousands of Feds in Washington I have no doubt LLNL will grind to halt. Any of these outcomes is too scary to consider.
AI will be based on what it is fed. GIGO - Garbage In, Garbage Out
In that respect, it will be just like people.
What accelerant was used to put PBS' hair on fire?
These "tent cities" sound like a step towards concentration camps, by the way, and Trump also wants to place people in mental hospitals so that they can receive "help":
https://time.com/6200821/trump-homeless-tent-cities-2024/
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists
This is a good article as well,
https://newrepublic.com/article/177249/2024-trump-presidency-sleepwalking
12/03/2023 7:45 AM
Sure these look like "legit stories". It is all just made of fear mongering, do you guys ever learn? Maybe AI will take over at least at can figure out a pattern after the 4 or 5 times. These stories are all the same, taken out of context, ideas that actually were proposed by democrats, stuff he never actually said, or utter misinterpretations. It has been the same pattern time and time again.
Remember, "drink bleach" "good people on both sides", "storm the capita", " I am the new emperor god", "Trump works for Putin", "Trump is a racist", "Trump wants to start endless wars" "nuke a hurricane" and so on.
Just so you know, I have no issue with people not wanting Trump for president, but give at real reason and do not repeat a nonsense talking point from the web that you cannot confirm, have no idea what it says, or just state the headline without reading the actuall article. At least AI can do some analysis. Read, think and analyze, try it. This of course goes both ways with any media source. You guys go on about "Fox news is fake news", but the exact same thing can be said about the media you post about, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, and NYT. They are trying to sell you a narrative that you want to hear. Objective news does not sell, there seems to be no market for it. People like you want a certain view point and there is a new media source to sell you exactly what you want. Fair enough but do not post this junk and say..."credible sources say". No they do not say.
Gee-I wonder which former U.S. President has cozied up to Putin, who has cozied up to Iran… and has given/sold/traded away our military intelligence to our enemies?! Gaza-Israel war...Trump anyone who is educated and rational knows what is going on.
Make no mistake we will be paying for Trumps first term for the next 20 years. If he gets in again it is game over for the US.
Evidently some of the first concentration camps were built by the British in the Boer war -- some of these actually were "tent cities" and there was a high mortality rate:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/concentration-camps-existed-long-before-Auschwitz-180967049/
https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/women-and-children-white-concentration-camps-during-anglo-boer-war-1900-1902
https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/black-concentration-camps-during-anglo-boer-war-2-1900-1902
https://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloemfontein-konsentrasiekamp
Apparently "tent city" was an outdoor prison and detention center in Arizona:
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/aug/21/arizona-phoenix-concentration-camp-tent-city-jail-joe-arpaio-immigration
https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/joe-arpaio-tent-city-a-concentration-camp-6500984
12/03/2023 8:03 PM
So if Trump is elected we will have mass concentration camps. The 12/03/2023 8:03 PM poster is well educated. I had no idea that concentration camps ever exited before Hitler. I had no idea that England was ever in South Africa. But the point is that if Trump goes into power this is the plan, he even says concentration camp like Germany. Of course he probably said Boring war. This is is some deep stuff, we need more links, because if we posts links about history and mention Trump by the rules modern logic they are correlated.
The only problem is that Smithsonian mag article is of course not even historically accurate. Concentration camps go back way further than Boer war, not to mention the camps in Germany were work/death camps. You know there is a difference between, work/slave camps, open air prison, and death camp and they get lumped together when politically necessary when in fact there are clear differences. The camps or housing units, as proposed even by democrats for the homeless do not even qualify as any of these since no one is forced in them. A detention center is just a prison. So under Biden a million Americans are in concentration camps according to these rules.
5:59 pm -- my response is that the tent cities are a legitimate story, Trump separated children from their parents and placed them in "tent cities" back in 2018:
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/trump-admin-s-tent-cities-cost-more-keeping-migrant-kids-n884871
I agree with you by the way, that many of Trump's statements are "nonsense talking points" for example, having Mexico pay for the wall, or when he said Ted Cruz's father was involved in the Kennedy assassination, and so on.
How interesting, the Republicans are now making advertisements with fake AI images of "tent cities" on Federal land, including the national parks. They are accusing the Democrats of carrying out Trump's tent-city plan, and passed a house bill to forbid it:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-gop-campaign-arm-slams-democrats-new-ai-generated-ad-turning-national-parks-migrant-tent-cities
"5:59 pm -- my response is that the tent cities are a legitimate story, Trump separated children from their parents and placed them in "tent cities" back in 2018:"
So did Obama, this as not a Trump policy but a standard policy to protect children from trafficking and goes way back long before Trump. The media of course knew this yet it turned into "Trump" separating children because he is evil. The tent cities also go back 20 years for more. These are not concentration camps.
"I agree with you by the way, that many of Trump's statements are "nonsense talking points" for example, having Mexico pay for the wall, "
This is a legit point, Trump failed to achieve many of his stated goals. I have no issue having a problem with Trump
for his actual failures at or making claims about others that are nonsense. This cuts both ways, Obama did not usher in a socialists regime but at the same time did not dismantle the surveillance state put in by Bush. He fell well short of hope and change. All legit regions to have problem with him. He however was not a socialist.
With Trump I have an issue with the junk like "concentration camps", separating kids, seeding secrets to Russia, sending secrets to Israel, having nuclear codes in his bathroom, good people on both sides, bleach, coup attempts, Biden made the vaccine, getting billions from Saudi Arabia, nuking hurricanes, space lasers and so on.
Trump could be good for the labs. The only thing Obama Biden seem to care about is green energy, but the weapons labs don't really do that per se. Its been a lot of fitting square pegs into round holes. Trump could bring back testing and really revitalize the labs, their mission and our deterrent. If the labs had an actual mission and strategy, we wouldn't be wasting 90% of our time arguing over what to do and 10% doing, like it is now. The ratio would be flipped.
7:53 pm -- you seem to think it is unfair that the Democrats accused Trump of creating tent cities (which is actually factual, even though it has been done before).
There is actually a history of right-wing conspiracy theories, for example accusing Bill Clinton of creating "UN camps" with "black helicopters". Also accusing Obama of creating "FEMA camps" and so on to lock up patriots.
I would assume these vast camp systems do not exist, as there is no real evidence of that, and if they were real the government would be using them by now to house migrants rather than building new facilities and supposedly pitching tents.
The history of this even goes back to the 1950's, the so-called "Siberian Gulag" conspiracy theory, where there was fear that constructing a mental hospital in Alaska would be used to lock up conservatives:
https://morningside.uoregon.edu/chapter-4/
By the way, you're right I think, that for some people living in a free tent city might be fine. Imagine not paying rent, and you could have starlink and a laptop powered by solar panels -- it would have a low carbon footprint, too.
The downside historically is that once people are placed into camps they tend to be ignored, not receiving health care and food, and being subject to prosecution. In the American civil war many POW's died in internment camps on both the Confederate and Union sides:
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/articles/civil-war-prison-camps
"The downside historically is that once people are placed into camps they tend to be ignored, not receiving health care and food, and being subject to prosecution. In the American civil war many POW's died in internment camps on both the Confederate and Union sides:"
The homeless tents cities voluntary no one is "placed" in them. The detainment centers are for a fixed time to determine if you are refugee or not no a prisoner of war camp.
Comparing Civil war prison or war camps like Andersonville to a modern migrant center makes no sense at all. The whole Trump is
locking people in concentration camps is just silly nonsense. Drop it. As Clinton says this dog won't hunt.
Maybe the world will be better if AI takes over, I suspect it will be more rational.
7:04 pm -- maybe they would be really nice. The article about the tent city for migrant children said it cost $775 per person per night or $283000 a year to house someone there.
Of course, mental health treatment can cost more than that, and some people blame Reagan for the mental health crisis, and for homelessness, there were cuts to save money.
It could be, that Trump's plan would not be possible given the state of the Federal governments finances, so it could indeed be a "nonsense talking point" as you suggested.
Look, this nonsense is still a reason to not like Trump -- he's put forth an impractical plan, and the Republicans made fake AI-generated images accusing the Democrats of something very similar.
He's also delusional to think that he can "destroy the deep state" at the same time as expanding the government, building the military, and lowering taxes. Did you know he's promised to build new cities on Federal land with flying cars, too? That is, while many of the construction workers in the US are the same immigrants he plans to deport -- something he's probably well aware of since he hires them on his own construction projects!
And of course, this might cause inflation, due to the trade war the Chinese aren't buying treasury bonds, as they don't have money to do so.
"7:04 pm -- maybe they would be really nice. The article about the tent city for migrant children said it cost $775 per person per night or $283000 a year to house someone there"
I am always suspicious of these numbers. How on earth is calculated? On the face of it a dentition center should not 775$ a night but more like 50-100$. So is this just some media thing to make it sound crazy or is the overtime for the guards, a kickback for the properties, and so on. In other words it is big money scam.
You know a better option would be just to not let the people in. I am all for legal migration and and refugees but that vast majority of these people are where for economics opportunities. Why not enforce the laws that we have or have rational guest worker program. The whole thing is just nuts.
The Doom Plan - Reminds me of the Doomsday Machine in the movie Dr. Strangelove.
Love the scene where Major Kong rides the H-Bomb to its explosion.
"Did you know he's promised to build new cities on Federal land with flying cars, too?"
No he did not say this, this is once again a point taken out of context. Please look this up and read the actual stories.
"He's also delusional to think that he can "destroy the deep state" at the same time as expanding the government, building the military, and lowering taxes."
How is he expanding the government? Getting rid of the deep state and lowering taxes can work. Expanding the military would work provided you stop making every 10th recruit a general. Perhaps he is delusional but we have a bloated government workforce that adds little, does little and will fight to the death to keep their jobs. Somone said it is like 800 bucks a day to house single migrant, only a deep state government organization could do that.
We have millions of people in the so called deep state. They are dangerous because they are desperate to keep jobs that pay way more than the could ever get otherwise.
Isn't Trump partly responsible for the "800 bucks a day" since this happened under his administration, and housing children separate from their parents was what he wanted?
I agree it certainly could be good to cut costs, but the result could be that things become dysfunctional (at minimal cost savings) and then subsequently become even more expensive once they are fixed.
Perhaps I would trust this plan more if it was carried out by some other Republican, for example Nikki Haley, rather than Trump.
I found a video where Trump did propose awarding blocks of Federal land to developers (perhaps through auction or a contest) to build new cities. It does indeed mention flying cars as well, cheaper houses, and more tax incentives for families with children, as well as a revitalization of manufacturing (which is already happening under Biden). You are correct, I think, that he is hoping to incentivize the private sector somehow while shrinking government overall.
There are of course companies, some in the Bay Area working on various sorts of new concepts for "flying cars", for example this company:
https://www.jobyaviation.com/
Of course Boeing has this as well:
https://www.boeing.com/features/frontiers/2019/autonomous-flying-vehicles/index.page
By the way "flying car" often refers to vehicles that can fly as well as drive on the road network, rather than personal air transportation. There are a number of problems with that concept, the compromises it entails, and the high resulting cost. It is not clear exactly what Trump may have been advocating.
"I found a video where Trump did propose awarding blocks of Federal land to developers (perhaps through auction or a contest) to build new cities. It does indeed mention flying cars as well, cheaper houses, and more tax incentives for families with children, as well as a revitalization of manufacturing (which is already happening under Biden). You are correct, I think, that he is hoping to incentivize the private sector somehow while shrinking government overall."
You see every time you look what actually was said it is completely different what the news reported. This occurs time and time again. AI could figure out the pattern that what the news media reports is not accurate. There is also the constant media reports of "trusted sources say that Trump said this, did this and so on" and of course it is all nonense in the end. The media is not there to inform you. It is there to say what you want to hear or entertain you.
12:13 -- Right, but it's fair to criticize this on the grounds that things like flying cars are not something he can promise. Feasibility actually depends on technological developments, and cost considerations, and so on. The manufacturing boom is already happening under Biden I believe, particularly in certain areas, and there are already tax incentives for families.
It's nice that he's promising cheaper houses, but zoning is more controlled at the state and local level, and of course, Trump's tax plan in his actual presidency made homeownership less desirable, by making it harder to deduct mortgage interest and state and local taxes. This was because there was a large standard deduction to discourage someone to itemize, combined with a limit on state and local tax deductions.
Certainly also as I pointed out, many immigrants are employed in construction trades, and his policies could prevent that, raising the cost of housing. Those are skilled laborers in many cases and may be not that easily replaced.
" It is not clear exactly what Trump may have been advocating."
Trump said he was going to build cities out of nothing with flying cars. That sounds crazy and shows Trump is crazy. At least that is what my friends say on facebook. I trust them.
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