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Sunday, October 31, 2021
Many national labs sue over vaccine mandates
I am amazed at how easy seemingly intelligent people forget that seat belt mandates infringe on their individual freedom. Yet no one has sued for that. The difference? Politics, misdirected anger, trumpism, hatred... Anything else?
Before people get on my case as I said we should have done something I just disagree with the approach we have been using, saying "listen to the science" is also a bit silly since at this point due to the complexity of the problem scientific approach also suggest many different approaches. As for vaccines, I say sure take them, I think the risk is still low even with limited testing and even the odds are low of dying of Covid the vaccine could save you a from being pretty sick for a week. Should the labs mandate them? I say sure but also if you do any math on this with the current numbers of who is or is not vaccinated it would make almost no difference at al. If someone can give me a counter estimate I would be happy to share with you my math.
I do not know anyone on the lawsuits but I know for certain there are some people at LANL who did not get the vaccine where are not Trump fans nor republicans but pretty far left wing people. As for other people I know a few who will not get the vaccine because it was developed under Trump. Again the narrative that it is all these Trump supporters driving everything is just wrong. They are certainly a part of it but so are many other groups.
You clearly do not understand people. Check your assumptions.
10/31/2021 8:16 PM
I responded to this. I guess Scooby did not like the response. In fact less than 50% of the unvaccinated are republicans. Right now 43% of everyone is unvaccinated. Republicans are 32%, Dems 33%, and Independents 35% of the populations. About 41% of Republicans are vaccinated, so some simple math gives you (1/3)*.4 = .17, and 0.17/0.43 = 0.4, so that only 40% of the unvaxed are republicans. The idea that most of the unvaccinated are Trumpers and crazy republicans is false. I think a large number of the unvaccinated in general are people who simply do not care and have no political interests at al.
Also to the original poster there has been a number of lawsuits about seatbelts.
8:58 I applaud your use of facts to counter what is generally a politically motivated, emotional argument space. Hopefully freedom will prevail over media hype and public hysteria.
So LANL has about 200 people on leave of absence without pay. Realistically I do not think these people are ever coming back. Unless Covid disappears completely in a few months then I think this is it for these people. I would guess the lab will require a Covid vaccine to work at LANL at least for one more year and probably more than that. On the bright side they can probably find work elsewhere so I guess it is not that big of deal.
7 comments:
Before people get on my case as I said we should have done something I just disagree with the approach we have been using, saying "listen to the science" is also a bit silly since at this point due to the complexity of the problem scientific approach also suggest many different approaches. As for vaccines, I say sure take them, I think the risk is still low even with limited testing and even the odds are low of dying of Covid the vaccine could save you a from being pretty sick for a week. Should the labs mandate them? I say sure but also if you do any math on this with the current numbers of who is or is not vaccinated it would make almost no difference at al. If someone can give me a counter estimate I would be happy to share with you my math.
I do not know anyone on the lawsuits but I know for certain there are some people at LANL who did not get the vaccine where are not Trump fans nor republicans but pretty far left wing people. As for other people I know a few who will not get the vaccine because it was developed under Trump. Again the narrative that it is all these Trump supporters driving everything is just wrong. They are certainly a part of it but so are many other groups.
”The difference? Politics, misdirected anger, trumpism, hatred... Anything else? "
You clearly do not understand people. Check your assumptions.
”The difference? Politics, misdirected anger, trumpism, hatred... Anything else? "
You clearly do not understand people. Check your assumptions.
10/31/2021 8:16 PM
I responded to this. I guess Scooby did not like the response. In fact less than 50% of the unvaccinated are republicans. Right now 43% of everyone is unvaccinated. Republicans are 32%, Dems 33%, and Independents 35% of the populations. About 41% of Republicans are vaccinated, so some simple math gives you (1/3)*.4 = .17, and 0.17/0.43 = 0.4, so that only 40% of the unvaxed are republicans. The idea that most of the unvaccinated are Trumpers and crazy republicans is false. I think a large number of the unvaccinated in general are people who simply do not care and have no political interests at al.
Also to the original poster there has been a number of lawsuits about seatbelts.
8:58 I applaud your use of facts to counter what is generally a politically motivated, emotional argument space. Hopefully freedom will prevail over media hype and public hysteria.
Being informed is not a virtue, it would seem. However,anyone who is of a mind may give this a read:
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_term=hootsuite&utm_content=sme&utm_campaign=usage
11/04/2021 5:42 PM
So LANL has about 200 people on leave of absence without pay. Realistically I do not think these people are ever coming back. Unless Covid disappears completely in a few months then I think this is it for these people. I would guess the lab will require a Covid vaccine to work at LANL at least for one more year and probably more than that. On the bright side they can probably find work elsewhere so I guess it is not that big of deal.
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