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Friday, September 9, 2022
Is the end (of NIF) near?
When will NIF get significantly defunded in favor of accident prevention designed (rigorously engineering controlled) new fission power plants? How long can CA, the USA, and World wait given the geopolitics and concerns of global warming?
18 comments:
Anonymous
said...
When will you stop posting fictional false dichotomies, OP?
The NIF staff and their internal “peer review” echo chamber, have tried for 10 years past their 2012 failure, to reach repeatable ignition. It’s time to defund this toy box and focus our limited federal dollars on significantly safer, and failure resistant fission power plants for our immediate national power needs. Yes, NIF funding should be subject to current national energy needs from viable fission plant alternatives given their track record of ignition failures and billions and billions of tax payer dollars spent. Sorry. Look beyond the dazzling youtube graphics of how NIF lasers work, and instead investigate the MTBF data of its operational components, that clearly DO NOT repeatedly yield ignition results.
8:58, that’s because you fundamentally don’t understand the difference between power, pulsed power, and energy. Don’t feel badly, neither do any of your elected officials.
If your concern of power consumption of NIF is the argument to turn it off, consider the other possibilites:
1. Turn off the Livermore computer center, that is pulling megawatts. 2. Tell all outdoor sports venues it is day only games, no big lights for night games. 3. Turn off the air conditioning at indoor sport events. 4. Cancel the sporting events, it's only entertainment, not a necessity. 5. Shut down the movie theaters, they are playing to empty rooms at this point.
NIF is "dead man walking." It is a puzzlement to me why the NIF scientific staff hasn't bailed for more stable work. NIF seems like a cult resembling Trumpism. Neither is coming back anytime soon.
In 2012, after the NIF failure to reach ignition as pledged to Congress for billions and billions of taxpayer dollars spent, the NNSA "cooked the books" on the LLNS PER scores to permit a LLNS contract extension, creating the beginning of a deluxe contractor fee moral hazard going forward to this day.
"If your concern of power consumption of NIF is the argument to turn it off, consider the other possibilites:
1. Turn off the Livermore computer center, that is pulling megawatts. 2. Tell all outdoor sports venues it is day only games, no big lights for night games. 3. Turn off the air conditioning at indoor sport events. 4. Cancel the sporting events, it's only entertainment, not a necessity. 5. Shut down the movie theaters, they are playing to empty rooms at this point.
9/11/2022 4:47 PM"
We have to consider all possibilities yet at the same time consider what grants the greatest good the people.
"1. Turn off the Livermore computer center, that is pulling megawatts."
This is also not a bad idea but we could think more about "green" computing in general.
"2. Tell all outdoor sports venues it is day only games, no big lights for night games."
There are millions of Californians doing work everyday to keep your life style going, these people teach your children, fix your garden, fix the streets, grow your food, drive your uber, cook your food, run your hotels. Unlike you they cannot easily take a day off to go to a day ball game. I am pretty sure such games give way more to humanity that NIF ever did.
"3. Turn off the air conditioning at indoor sport events."
How about turn off air condition on any house larger than 800 square feet.
"4. Cancel the sporting events, it's only entertainment, not a necessity."
But human dignity is a a necessity, how about canceling opera, shutting down museums?
"5. Shut down the movie theaters, they are playing to empty rooms at this point."
A large number of movies theaters are already shut down.
The point about NIF is you have a giant toy that just burns up energy and money so rich capitalists can claim they have a toy. It is like Musk going to Mars.
We have millions of kids with huge college debt, millions of migrants that do most of the work in California who cannot live a life of dignity, you have millions or working class families struggling, you have millions of single parent households, you have millions of people who are afraid of being killed by the police. The least you can do is shut down NIF.
"In 2012, after the NIF failure to reach ignition as pledged to Congress for billions and billions of taxpayer dollars spent, the NNSA "cooked the books" on the LLNS PER scores to permit a LLNS contract extension, creating the beginning of a deluxe contractor fee moral hazard going forward to this day."
Glassdoor provides no Info as to how many LLNS supposed "career indefinite" employees were bounced out to dry into ETA status to await their eventual "individual RIF" layoffs when NIF and other LLNS divisions went into tribal mode to protect their pre-selected employees during budget uncertainty, independent of forward looking "employment need". Yes this happened. If your considering LLNS employment, you might consider discretely talking to LLNS employees that are not part of the worker bee overlord system. Not kidding.
So this "LLNL Blog" has turned into a political blog with only marginal usefulness or relevance to LLNL, LANL, or any of the other national labs. Scooby seems happy with this, I guess based on clicks or posts, regardless of relevance. Some of us who actually care about the national labs and national security in general have lost what was originally a serious information and communication source for those concerns. I'm guessing this is a dying enterprise with the captain of the ship content to go down with it, no hole patching or bailing necessary. Pretty sad.
"So this "LLNL Blog" has turned into a political blog with only marginal usefulness or relevance to LLNL, LANL, or any of the other national labs. Scooby seems happy with this, I guess based on clicks or posts, regardless of relevance. Some of us who actually care about the national labs and national security in general have lost what was originally a serious information and communication source for those concerns. I'm guessing this is a dying enterprise with the captain of the ship content to go down with it, no hole patching or bailing necessary. Pretty sad."
From the Blog Moderator:
"This BLOG is for LLNL present and past employees, friends of LLNL and anyone impacted by the privatization of the Lab to express their opinions and expose the waste, wrongdoing and any kind of injustice against employees and taxpayers by LLNS/DOE/NNSA. The opinions stated are personal opinions."
Reading comprehension is a challenge for some commenters on this blog, but more likely, someone is carrying the water for LLNS, who is expecting a pat on the back. If not the case, you might be more comfortable reading the LLNL Newsline if that source of "information" alone floats your boat. Pretty transparent.
So this "LLNL Blog" has turned into a political blog with only marginal usefulness or relevance to LLNL, LANL, or any of the other national labs. Scooby seems happy with this, I guess based on clicks or posts, regardless of relevance. Some of us who actually care about the national labs and national security in general have lost what was originally a serious information and communication source for those concerns. I'm guessing this is a dying enterprise with the captain of the ship content to go down with it, no hole patching or bailing necessary. Pretty sad.
9/12/2022 5:31 PM
Translation: do not saying anything bad about NIF!!!!
Got it the blog critiques your LLNL thing, so SHUT DOWN THE BLOG!!!!.
9/12/2022 5:31 PM poster here. I think NIF should have been shut down years ago. I was just pointing out that a national lab blog has gone completely political, and national lab subjects and concerns have nearly vanished. Your priors are showing.
"We have millions of kids with huge college debt, millions of migrants that do most of the work in California who cannot live a life of dignity, you have millions or working class families struggling, you have millions of single parent households, you have millions of people who are afraid of being killed by the police. The least you can do is shut down NIF."
OK, let's run some hypothetical numbers here. I will take the number of millions to be plural and will assume that number to be 2 as a minimum for the plural.
2 Million Kids with HUGE college debt (Who forced them to take those loans?) 2 Million Migrants 2 Million Struggling Families 2 Million Single Parent Households (I am subsidizing one of them directly) 2 Million who fear being killed by the police (versus how many are killed by non-police?)
Total that up - 10 million.
Assume that NIF's yearly budget is 1 Billion per year (it's far less, but let's do the Billion to make the math easy. 1 Billion split amongst the 10 million means each one of those gets a whopping 100 dollars.
"Assume that NIF's yearly budget is 1 Billion per year (it's far less, but let's do the Billion to make the math easy. 1 Billion split amongst the 10 million means each one of those gets a whopping 100 dollars.
Yep, shut down NIF, do it for the children"
Based on your logic, why not add another Billion so we could fund NIF and the search for pink unicorns too? HaHa. Seriously though, we should be investing in nuclear fission power plants that have minimal chances of catastrophic or run away conditions. Like in T2 the movie, NIF can not self-terminate, they must be defunded. Sorry, there is only so much money the Feds can spend after 10 years of non-repeatable NIF ignition no matter what the internal self-importance of NIF promotes. According to the global warming crowd, we don't have another 25-50 years to address green house gases.
18 comments:
When will you stop posting fictional false dichotomies, OP?
The NIF staff and their internal “peer review” echo chamber, have tried for 10 years past their 2012 failure, to reach repeatable ignition. It’s time to defund this toy box and focus our limited federal dollars on significantly safer, and failure resistant fission power plants for our immediate national power needs. Yes, NIF funding should be subject to current national energy needs from viable fission plant alternatives given their track record of ignition failures and billions and billions of tax payer dollars spent. Sorry. Look beyond the dazzling youtube graphics of how NIF lasers work, and instead investigate the MTBF data of its operational components, that clearly DO NOT repeatedly yield ignition results.
With the power issues in CA I do not see how they can keep NIF.
8:58, that’s because you fundamentally don’t understand the difference between power, pulsed power, and energy. Don’t feel badly, neither do any of your elected officials.
If your concern of power consumption of NIF is the argument to turn it off, consider the other possibilites:
1. Turn off the Livermore computer center, that is pulling megawatts.
2. Tell all outdoor sports venues it is day only games, no big lights for night games.
3. Turn off the air conditioning at indoor sport events.
4. Cancel the sporting events, it's only entertainment, not a necessity.
5. Shut down the movie theaters, they are playing to empty rooms at this point.
NIF is "dead man walking." It is a puzzlement to me why the NIF scientific staff hasn't bailed for more stable work. NIF seems like a cult resembling Trumpism. Neither is coming back anytime soon.
In 2012, after the NIF failure to reach ignition as pledged to Congress for billions and billions of taxpayer dollars spent, the NNSA "cooked the books" on the LLNS PER scores to permit a LLNS contract extension, creating the beginning of a deluxe contractor fee moral hazard going forward to this day.
Hey 9/11/2022 3:35 PM
Enlighten us Einstein!
"If your concern of power consumption of NIF is the argument to turn it off, consider the other possibilites:
1. Turn off the Livermore computer center, that is pulling megawatts.
2. Tell all outdoor sports venues it is day only games, no big lights for night games.
3. Turn off the air conditioning at indoor sport events.
4. Cancel the sporting events, it's only entertainment, not a necessity.
5. Shut down the movie theaters, they are playing to empty rooms at this point.
9/11/2022 4:47 PM"
We have to consider all possibilities yet at the same time consider what grants the greatest good the people.
"1. Turn off the Livermore computer center, that is pulling megawatts."
This is also not a bad idea but we could think more about "green" computing in general.
"2. Tell all outdoor sports venues it is day only games, no big lights for night games."
There are millions of Californians doing work everyday to keep your life style going, these people teach your children, fix your garden,
fix the streets, grow your food, drive your uber, cook your food, run your hotels. Unlike you they cannot easily take a day off to go
to a day ball game. I am pretty sure such games give way more to humanity that NIF ever did.
"3. Turn off the air conditioning at indoor sport events."
How about turn off air condition on any house larger than 800 square feet.
"4. Cancel the sporting events, it's only entertainment, not a necessity."
But human dignity is a a necessity, how about canceling opera, shutting down museums?
"5. Shut down the movie theaters, they are playing to empty rooms at this point."
A large number of movies theaters are already shut down.
The point about NIF is you have a giant toy that just burns up energy and money so rich capitalists can claim they have a toy. It is like Musk going to Mars.
We have millions of kids with huge college debt, millions of migrants that do most of the work in California who cannot live a life of dignity, you have millions or working class families struggling, you have millions of single parent households, you have millions of people who are afraid of being killed by the police. The least you can do is shut down NIF.
Once clean abundant fusion power is available (probably NIF won't lead to this!) we can use it to power all of those things, including NIF.
"In 2012, after the NIF failure to reach ignition as pledged to Congress for billions and billions of taxpayer dollars spent, the NNSA "cooked the books" on the LLNS PER scores to permit a LLNS contract extension, creating the beginning of a deluxe contractor fee moral hazard going forward to this day."
Glassdoor provides no Info as to how many LLNS supposed "career indefinite" employees were bounced out to dry into ETA status to await their eventual "individual RIF" layoffs when NIF and other LLNS divisions went into tribal mode to protect their pre-selected employees during budget uncertainty, independent of forward looking "employment need". Yes this happened. If your considering LLNS employment, you might consider discretely talking to LLNS employees that are not part of the worker bee overlord system. Not kidding.
So this "LLNL Blog" has turned into a political blog with only marginal usefulness or relevance to LLNL, LANL, or any of the other national labs. Scooby seems happy with this, I guess based on clicks or posts, regardless of relevance. Some of us who actually care about the national labs and national security in general have lost what was originally a serious information and communication source for those concerns. I'm guessing this is a dying enterprise with the captain of the ship content to go down with it, no hole patching or bailing necessary. Pretty sad.
"So this "LLNL Blog" has turned into a political blog with only marginal usefulness or relevance to LLNL, LANL, or any of the other national labs. Scooby seems happy with this, I guess based on clicks or posts, regardless of relevance. Some of us who actually care about the national labs and national security in general have lost what was originally a serious information and communication source for those concerns. I'm guessing this is a dying enterprise with the captain of the ship content to go down with it, no hole patching or bailing necessary. Pretty sad."
From the Blog Moderator:
"This BLOG is for LLNL present and past employees, friends of LLNL and anyone impacted by the privatization of the Lab to express their opinions and expose the waste, wrongdoing and any kind of injustice against employees and taxpayers by LLNS/DOE/NNSA. The opinions stated are personal opinions."
Reading comprehension is a challenge for some commenters on this blog, but more likely, someone is carrying the water for LLNS, who is expecting a pat on the back. If not the case, you might be more comfortable reading the LLNL Newsline if that source of "information" alone floats your boat. Pretty transparent.
So this "LLNL Blog" has turned into a political blog with only marginal usefulness or relevance to LLNL, LANL, or any of the other national labs. Scooby seems happy with this, I guess based on clicks or posts, regardless of relevance. Some of us who actually care about the national labs and national security in general have lost what was originally a serious information and communication source for those concerns. I'm guessing this is a dying enterprise with the captain of the ship content to go down with it, no hole patching or bailing necessary. Pretty sad.
9/12/2022 5:31 PM
Translation: do not saying anything bad about NIF!!!!
Got it the blog critiques your LLNL thing, so SHUT DOWN THE BLOG!!!!.
9/13/2022 9:22 AM
9/12/2022 5:31 PM poster here. I think NIF should have been shut down years ago. I was just pointing out that a national lab blog has gone completely political, and national lab subjects and concerns have nearly vanished. Your priors are showing.
9/11/2022 9:54 PM stated:
"We have millions of kids with huge college debt, millions of migrants that do most of the work in California who cannot live a life of dignity, you have millions or working class families struggling, you have millions of single parent households, you have millions of people who are afraid of being killed by the police. The least you can do is shut down NIF."
OK, let's run some hypothetical numbers here. I will take the number of millions to be plural and will assume that number to be 2 as a minimum for the plural.
2 Million Kids with HUGE college debt (Who forced them to take those loans?)
2 Million Migrants
2 Million Struggling Families
2 Million Single Parent Households (I am subsidizing one of them directly)
2 Million who fear being killed by the police (versus how many are killed by non-police?)
Total that up - 10 million.
Assume that NIF's yearly budget is 1 Billion per year (it's far less, but let's do the Billion to make the math easy. 1 Billion split amongst the 10 million means each one of those gets a whopping 100 dollars.
Yep, shut down NIF, do it for the children.
"Assume that NIF's yearly budget is 1 Billion per year (it's far less, but let's do the Billion to make the math easy. 1 Billion split amongst the 10 million means each one of those gets a whopping 100 dollars.
Yep, shut down NIF, do it for the children"
Based on your logic, why not add another Billion so we could fund NIF and the search for pink unicorns too? HaHa. Seriously though, we should be investing in nuclear fission power plants that have minimal chances of catastrophic or run away conditions. Like in T2 the movie, NIF can not self-terminate, they must be defunded. Sorry, there is only so much money the Feds can spend after 10 years of non-repeatable NIF ignition no matter what the internal self-importance of NIF promotes. According to the global warming crowd, we don't have another 25-50 years to address green house gases.
9/13/2022 6:15 PM
Yeah, like one has anything to do with the other. Simplistic political nonsense. Try thinking.
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