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I found a semi-automatic rifle sitting on the lunch-room table of the highest security building at LLNL. No security officer in sight.
No worry. Half you anti-gun liberals who work at the labs wouldn't know where the safety is so if you went to use it you'd just get your asses kicked and have it taken away from you all while looking at the business end. Sissy's
As far as the guy that found a rifle... why didn't you report it? Any security officer that leaves his weapon like that deserves to get his ass fired. Have some balls next time and do something, not just talk trash online. Chances are, the security officer was still in the room and within view of his weapon, but out of your line of site
Anonymous said... I found a semi-automatic rifle sitting on the lunch-room table of the highest security building at LLNL. No security officer in sight.
November 5, 2013 at 6:09 PM
Cut it out, you didn't find anything. The "highest security building at LLNL" ? What building is that these days ? NIF, Bldg 111, I know it wasn't Bldg 140 because they won't let security past their lobby. You probably just got back from your two hour bike ride and taking your one hour lunch. If you didn't do nothing about it, then you should be terminated along with the guard.
In fact there is no longer a DOE or NNSA requirement for LLNL security officers to even have guns. It is now a local LLNS decision on arming or not arming officers.
Security at DOE/NNSA sites has never been about protecting employees. Not even about protecting classified information. Just CAT I and II SNM. Not other scenario in DOE strategy requires deadly force. Your local police force will provide their usual protection (i.e., none).
And there is zero CAT I or CAT II SNM at LLNL, which is why there is no "requirement" for armed security guards. However, just like there are armed guards at some private companies and businesses, LLNL will have armed security. And like armed private security they will defend themselves and protect employees until local police arrive. Also at LLNL, security is no longer directly funded by DOE or NNSA, it's paid out of the general overhead tax. Which means it is subject to major cuts and reductions just like every other support service at the lab.
I know! I know!....maybe there never was a gun!.... circa: Nanos and the famous tapes.....Ah you gotta love LANL, what a joke, if the outside world only knew what really goes on behind the fence.......
The highest security building at LLNL in my time was B332, where I found the rifle. I waited in the lunch room until the officer came back to retrieve it. And yes, if I had reported the incident he probably would have been dismissed.
"It is clear that you don't. November 9, 2013 at 9:55 PM"
Lets see, we have Wen Ho Lee, the first huge fire, the copier machine incident, the stolen mustangs, the culture of theft, the stand down, Nanos being run out, meth for secrets, and the second big fire. Sounds like a culture problem to me. Maybe they should close LANL down and ship to LLNL and Sandia. How is it that these places never have had an incident? How is it that the rest of the military intelligence organizations never have incidents like this? Only at LANL does this happen.
You're blaming the Cerro Grande and Las Conchas fires on the "culture" at LANL?? The Forest Service got it wrong? You are really sick. Oh, and just FYI, there were no "stolen mustangs."
" Oh, and just FYI, there were no "stolen mustangs." "
If that is so why do people always talk about the stolen mustang with the lab cards? This is brought up over and over so there must be something to it. Someone even said on this blog the most of the power tools in Northern New Mexico come from LANL. Sounds like there is a cultural problem to me. Maybe the arrogant scientists have something to do with it.
If that is so why do people always talk about the stolen mustang with the lab cards?
November 10, 2013 at 7:41 PM
Um, because the very public results of all the investigations proved there was nothing there and it was a red herring? Jeez, do your read the actual news, or just listen to what "people always talk about".? What people?? Find more intelligent people to listen to!
Hey, the FBI dropped the case after the car dealership that posed as a scientific equipment company and duped the poor LANL buyer after she faxed an order to them (the original company had changed its fax number) was found to have tried to defraud the lab. Case closed.
Let's just say I've never had to lock my doors in Los Alamos, despite the so-called, "culture of theft". How does that work for you folks in the Bay Area? It is true that the Government has a tendency to start fires that it cannot control. Personally, I wish they'd stay home sometimes.
Let's just say I've never had to lock my doors in Los Alamos...
November 11, 2013 at 6:02 PM
Well, it is only a matter of time before the high school 16 year old crack heads break in and steal your stuff, only to be protected by their LANL upper-management daddies and serve no time in juvie hall. The local media will not report that drug use and drug-related break-ins and theft are rampant in Los Alamos. The reason is that it is the highest income families that they come from, and they are the "best" students. The other end of the crime spectrum in LA is the 13 year olds beating up on their classmates, mostly Espanola valley boys beating up on Espanola valley girls. Who knows how these losers qualify for Los Alamos Public Schools.
"Hey, the FBI dropped the case after the car dealership that posed as a scientific equipment company and duped the poor LANL buyer after she faxed an order to them (the original company had changed its fax number) was found to have tried to defraud the lab. Case closed.
November 10, 2013 at 10:16 PM"
The case may be legally closed and this fact may be known by a small number of people but the most prevalent perception is that LANL stole mustangs. Every time there is a screw up at LANL the media reviews all the previous problems at LANL and the stolen mustangs are always on that lit. I am not saying it is correct but that is the perception and we all know perception is reality. Indeed in many ways the case is closed.
I think the "perception is reality" comment was made with more than a hint of sarcasm. Lol!!
Still no word on the missing gun. I have zero confidence this case will ever be solved. Why the heck LAPD is investigating it, not the FBI, is beyond me. It seems like the case had to wait the entire weekend in order to get off the ground. The gun was missing on a Friday. Other than local searches, nothing happened for days
Ask yourself how many law enforcement agencies are missing firearms every year. Look it up. This is just another manufactured crisis. How many illegally obtained firearms exist in New Mexico? Look it up.
Nice attempt to deflect attention away from the issue. How many of those other law enforcement agencies are affiliated with nuclear weapons? How many of the illegally obtained firearms in New Mexico are likewise affiliated?
When LANL can't even do simple things such as keeping track of the guns strapped to the guards, how can they maintain credibility on weighty matters of national security? Charlie goes out of his way to make the point that he, as Lab Director, is one of only a few people that has the responsibility to write an annual letter about the health of the country's nuclear weapons.
The issue of the lost gun from the LANL guard is not a manufactured crisis, nor is it an example of isolated behavior. Look it up.
When LANL can't even do simple things such as keeping track of the guns strapped to the guards, how can they maintain credibility on weighty matters of national security?
November 14, 2013 at 7:10 AM
The responsibility for accounting for SOC's firearms is SOC's responsibility, not LANL's. SOC has zero responsibility for the health of the country's nuclear weapons. The fact that SOC is "affiliated" with nuclear weapons is an irrelevant red herring. (You intentionally chose a non-specific word vaguely indicating some sort of association with weapons work, where none actually exists.) LANL certainly has a responsibility to assist in investigating what is a simple act of theft by someone, and to assess consequences to SOC for violations of rules and contract provisions if necessary. But your argument is like saying "why can't the police do simple things like keeping banks from being robbed?" as if the police were "affiliated" with the banking industry.
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Maybe a girlfriend on one of the guards that didn't get to shoot the full auto gun was given a bit of rental time with a sidearm?
Aren't these guns generally kept in a holster that is strapped to the waist? Just HOW can you loose one - unless you are undressed?
If they can't even keep track of simple things like this, how can they keep track of complex systems?
I found a semi-automatic rifle sitting on the lunch-room table of the highest security building at LLNL.
No security officer in sight.
Don't worry, the Los Alamos Police is on the 'case......OMG!!!
I found a semi-automatic rifle sitting on the lunch-room table of the highest security building at LLNL.
No security officer in sight.
No worry. Half you anti-gun liberals who work at the labs wouldn't know where the safety is so if you went to use it you'd just get your asses kicked and have it taken away from you all while looking at the business end. Sissy's
That's funny.
As far as the guy that found a rifle... why didn't you report it? Any security officer that leaves his weapon like that deserves to get his ass fired. Have some balls next time and do something, not just talk trash online. Chances are, the security officer was still in the room and within view of his weapon, but out of your line of site
Anonymous said...
I found a semi-automatic rifle sitting on the lunch-room table of the highest security building at LLNL.
No security officer in sight.
November 5, 2013 at 6:09 PM
Cut it out, you didn't find anything. The "highest security building at LLNL" ? What building is that these days ? NIF, Bldg 111, I know it wasn't Bldg 140 because they won't let security past their lobby. You probably just got back from your two hour bike ride and taking your one hour lunch. If you didn't do nothing about it, then you should be terminated along with the guard.
In fact there is no longer a DOE or NNSA requirement for LLNL security officers to even have guns. It is now a local LLNS decision on arming or not arming officers.
Security at DOE/NNSA sites has never been about protecting employees. Not even about protecting classified information. Just CAT I and II SNM. Not other scenario in DOE strategy requires deadly force. Your local police force will provide their usual protection (i.e., none).
And there is zero CAT I or CAT II SNM at LLNL, which is why there is no "requirement" for armed security guards. However, just like there are armed guards at some private companies and businesses, LLNL will have armed security. And like armed private security they will defend themselves and protect employees until local police arrive. Also at LLNL, security is no longer directly funded by DOE or NNSA, it's paid out of the general overhead tax. Which means it is subject to major cuts and reductions just like every other support service at the lab.
Did they interview Jessica? Behind the copier? At the Los Alamos landfill?
I know! I know!....maybe there never was a gun!.... circa: Nanos and the famous tapes.....Ah you gotta love LANL, what a joke, if the outside world only knew what really goes on behind the fence.......
The highest security building at LLNL in my time was B332, where I found the rifle. I waited in the lunch room until the officer came back to retrieve it. And yes, if I had reported the incident he probably would have been dismissed.
Ah you gotta love LANL, what a joke, if the outside world only knew what really goes on behind the fence.......
November 9, 2013 at 9:15 AM
It is clear that you don't.
"It is clear that you don't.
November 9, 2013 at 9:55 PM"
Lets see, we have Wen Ho Lee, the first huge fire, the copier machine incident, the stolen mustangs, the culture of theft, the stand down, Nanos being run out, meth for secrets, and the second big fire. Sounds like a culture problem to me. Maybe they should close LANL down and ship to LLNL and Sandia. How is it that these places never have had an incident? How is it that the rest of the military intelligence organizations never have incidents like this? Only at LANL does this happen.
November 10, 2013 at 7:45 AM:
You're blaming the Cerro Grande and Las Conchas fires on the "culture" at LANL?? The Forest Service got it wrong? You are really sick. Oh, and just FYI, there were no "stolen mustangs."
" Oh, and just FYI, there were no "stolen mustangs." "
If that is so why do people always talk about the stolen mustang with the lab cards? This is brought up over and over so there must be something to it. Someone even said on this blog the most of the power tools in Northern New Mexico come from LANL. Sounds like there is a cultural problem to me. Maybe the arrogant scientists have something to do with it.
If that is so why do people always talk about the stolen mustang with the lab cards?
November 10, 2013 at 7:41 PM
Um, because the very public results of all the investigations proved there was nothing there and it was a red herring? Jeez, do your read the actual news, or just listen to what "people always talk about".? What people?? Find more intelligent people to listen to!
Hey, the FBI dropped the case after the car dealership that posed as a scientific equipment company and duped the poor LANL buyer after she faxed an order to them (the original company had changed its fax number) was found to have tried to defraud the lab. Case closed.
Let's just say I've never had to lock my doors in Los Alamos, despite the so-called, "culture of theft". How does that work for you folks in the Bay Area? It is true that the Government has a tendency to start fires that it cannot control. Personally, I wish they'd stay home sometimes.
Let's just say I've never had to lock my doors in Los Alamos...
November 11, 2013 at 6:02 PM
Well, it is only a matter of time before the high school 16 year old crack heads break in and steal your stuff, only to be protected by their LANL upper-management daddies and serve no time in juvie hall. The local media will not report that drug use and drug-related break-ins and theft are rampant in Los Alamos. The reason is that it is the highest income families that they come from, and they are the "best" students. The other end of the crime spectrum in LA is the 13 year olds beating up on their classmates, mostly Espanola valley boys beating up on Espanola valley girls. Who knows how these losers qualify for Los Alamos Public Schools.
"Hey, the FBI dropped the case after the car dealership that posed as a scientific equipment company and duped the poor LANL buyer after she faxed an order to them (the original company had changed its fax number) was found to have tried to defraud the lab. Case closed.
November 10, 2013 at 10:16 PM"
The case may be legally closed and this fact may be known by a small number of people but the most prevalent perception is that LANL stole mustangs. Every time there is a screw up at LANL the media reviews all the previous problems at LANL and the stolen mustangs are always on that lit. I am not saying it is correct but that is the perception and we all know perception is reality. Indeed in many ways the case is closed.
and we all know perception is reality.
November 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM
Only in the minds of the aggressively, proudly ignorant. Such as yourself.
I think the "perception is reality" comment was made with more than a hint of sarcasm. Lol!!
Still no word on the missing gun. I have zero confidence this case will ever be solved. Why the heck LAPD is investigating it, not the FBI, is beyond me. It seems like the case had to wait the entire weekend in order to get off the ground. The gun was missing on a Friday. Other than local searches, nothing happened for days
Ask yourself how many law enforcement agencies are missing firearms every year. Look it up. This is just another manufactured crisis. How many illegally obtained firearms exist in New Mexico? Look it up.
November 13, 2013 at 7:29 PM
Nice attempt to deflect attention away from the issue. How many of those other law enforcement agencies are affiliated with nuclear weapons? How many of the illegally obtained firearms in New Mexico are likewise affiliated?
When LANL can't even do simple things such as keeping track of the guns strapped to the guards, how can they maintain credibility on weighty matters of national security? Charlie goes out of his way to make the point that he, as Lab Director, is one of only a few people that has the responsibility to write an annual letter about the health of the country's nuclear weapons.
The issue of the lost gun from the LANL guard is not a manufactured crisis, nor is it an example of isolated behavior. Look it up.
When LANL can't even do simple things such as keeping track of the guns strapped to the guards, how can they maintain credibility on weighty matters of national security?
November 14, 2013 at 7:10 AM
The responsibility for accounting for SOC's firearms is SOC's responsibility, not LANL's. SOC has zero responsibility for the health of the country's nuclear weapons. The fact that SOC is "affiliated" with nuclear weapons is an irrelevant red herring. (You intentionally chose a non-specific word vaguely indicating some sort of association with weapons work, where none actually exists.) LANL certainly has a responsibility to assist in investigating what is a simple act of theft by someone, and to assess consequences to SOC for violations of rules and contract provisions if necessary. But your argument is like saying "why can't the police do simple things like keeping banks from being robbed?" as if the police were "affiliated" with the banking industry.
November 14, 2013 at 9:36 AM
Someone from the 'blame anyone but me' team got riled up!
Issues such as this have a tendency to continue unless they are fixed, instead of dismissed away as irrelevant.
Someone from the 'blame anyone but me' team got riled up!
November 14, 2013 at 11:37 AM
Yes, apparently by someone from the "find a way to blame the people you already hate" team.
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