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Tuesday, November 29, 2016

The Lab needs to be purged of racists

  1. The Lab needs to be purged of racists

    E-LINE: Diversity, respect essential to Lab’s success

    The recent presidential campaign was unusually contentious, at least in my experience. In its aftermath, fears have been raised that intolerance and prejudice – always lurking – will become more overt and acceptable.

    People I know have even expressed concern for the safety and security of themselves or their families. While revanchist sentiments exist to roll back progress in recognizing and valuing human differences, I don’t believe they represent a credible force today.

    In any case, prejudice, bigotry and exclusion based on race, gender, ethnicity or religious or sexual preference are never acceptable at the Lab. We will continue to strive for a diverse and inclusive community as an essential element of mission success.

    As we all return from the Thanksgiving holiday, that echoes with the values of grace, good will and community, please remember to treat one another with respect and consideration.

    Bill Goldstein
    Director

    Employees, when racist is found call the racist hotline 1-800-Trump-won
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  2. The lab needs to have both drug and racist tests.

    I like the work "lurking".... oh my, around every corner, in every crack is potential RACISM!
    Tell on you family, tell on your neighbors, report co-workes to HR, take no prisoners.
    If they didn't vote for Clinton.... RACIST!

73 comments:

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Bill shows as much concern for the many of us who are afraid to say we support Trump, because we don't want to be called racists or be ostracized at work. Do you care about us, too, Bill?

Anonymous said...

Yes I also support Trump and agree with above post.

Anonymous said...

Lab is full of PC pansies and PC nannys. Free speech is a fraud. It is California thought Nazi throughout. Lots of fraidy cats, weak men and meek women who work their control through derision and scorn and constant scolding.

One of the positives of otherwise otherwise dubiously prepared Trumpf is that ignores, even mocks the PC fairies. A grat example of how to disembowel your favorite busybody scold.

Eat cake, non. Eat dirt, scold.

Anonymous said...

Did this seriously come from a lab Director ?

How does one defend themselves when the finger of "racism" is pointed at them?

Clearly Goldstein is upset with the election. Perhaps the Trump NNSA will cut the lab in response? Smart move.

Anonymous said...

Trump may not be a racist, but a plurality of his supports are, and as such are definitely un-American. As far as the Lab... any Trump racists getting in my face or threatening me because of my skin color will risks being a recipient of my 2nd Amendment rights!

Anonymous said...

I acknowledge how you feel
but I believe a plurality of Trump supporters just want jobs.

He won in the rust belt and our fellow citizens are hurting there
because of Globalism under the leadership (establishment) from both parties.

Certainly people voted for all kinds of reasons.

I would remind you that the 3 candidates whom were anti-establishment (Cruz, Trump and The Bern) at one time had 80% of the Primary vote.

Anonymous said...

Not sure why people are reading this as Anti-Trump, the email didn't say anything about that. I share Bill's sentiment that this election was unusually contentious (from all sides). Anti-religion, anti-gay, anti whatever played a significant role. If you read this as being against you, maybe you're worried your views do fit this description? If not, since the email is just reminding people to be civil with each other, why does it offend you?

Anonymous said...

November 30, 2016 at 5:31 AM wrote:

Trump may not be a racist, but a plurality of his supports (sic) are, and as such are definitely un-American. As far as the Lab... any Trump racists getting in my face or threatening me because of my skin color will risks being a recipient of my 2nd Amendment rights!

_____

The lab had the exact same people before Trump won the election. They weren't "Trump Racists" back then, were they? Same exact people, but the commenter wasn't threatening them back then.

Thing is, by falsely claiming that a plurality of Trump supporters are racist, the writer clearly exposes himself as one of the fraction of people who indeed are racist. This guy really stinks, but he apparently can't smell himself.

Anonymous said...

"If you read this as being against you, maybe you're worried your views do fit this description? If not, since the email is just reminding people to be civil with each other, why does it offend you?"

Exactly.

People who go around with a chip on their shoulder looking for things to be offended by exist on both ends of the political spectrum.

Anonymous said...

An open letter to LLNL Director Bill Goldstein:

Dear Bill,
You should not hit your wife. Also it is illegal for you to lobby Congress, and unethical to falsify research results.

Just a few reminders for the holiday season. I'm not saying you and your close colleagues did any of these things. I'm just sayin'

Anonymous said...

Does the lab have safe rooms now with crayons, dogs to pet and some pacifiers with lab approved safety straps?

Anonymous said...

Goldstein and all his underlings are beta-males. They're given positional power at the lab and a big salary. I guess that inflates their egos. Basically they are nothing outside that square mile. Think of that guys when you see these losers.

Anonymous said...

If you read this as being against you, maybe you're worried your views do fit this description?
November 30, 2016 at 10:20 AM

Typical liberal thinking: You must be a racist if you disagree with my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Actually, a big salary at he Lab sounds nice. Not a loser in most people's book.

Anonymous said...

Basically, they have a lot of money outside that square mile. Which gives them lots of nice stuff associated with greater financial freedom. Try not to think of that if you're the bitter type.

Anonymous said...


Think of that guys when you see these losers.

November 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM

Excuse me but you are the loser, they saw the writing on the wall and adapted to the world and made more money than you will ever hope to see. There is no right or wrong in this world, there is only winners and losers and guess which one you are. The world has spoken and you lost and Goldstein and the management team have won. Do you need proof about how the world works, well Trump won the election because he has more money than you. I don't know what a beta or alpha male is , but I and everyone else know what a wealthy person is. Mic drop

Anonymous said...

For most presidential elections, there has been no lack of GOP bumper stickers on cars driving into the Laboratory. It did not strike me that this year was any different until I finally noticed a car with one in mid-October and realized it was a first. If people felt they couldn't show their preference this time, I don't know what changed.

Anonymous said...

This is what happened, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

Anonymous said...

Seems like this drifted off topic. Rich/not rich, powerful/not powerful, deserved/undeserved...whatever.

Here's the point. If Bill hears about actual derogatory actions on the part of Lab employees that violate policy, he (like all supervisors) has an obligation to bring that to the attention of appropriate people (HR, Staff Relations, OIS, etc. depending) who can investigate the specific allegations and take appropriate action.


What you don't do--Bill--is shotgun out a letter accosting the entire workforce over the alleged actions of a few individuals. That's a bullshit, weak-spined thing to do.

By the way Bill, using the word "revanchist" in your little letter does not disguise the poor esteem that you hold for your underlings and worker bees. Contrary to your elitist attitude, they don't need, want or deserve your contemptuous prattling lecture.

Anonymous said...

I'm not a big fan of Trump, but Hillary lost the election "bigly" and not by accident, but because of a bunch of blunders. One of the key lessons that should have been learned is you don't collectively insult voters. Just voting for your opponent doesn't immediately make them "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it." Yet, the obviously demoralized Hillary supporters just can't stop. Can't help it. The latest fashion is to send emails to your subordinates saying things like: "Even though Republicans have won, teasing, taunting, beating, raping and murdering woman and minorities is still not allowed." Huh?? Are there really multiple instances of such deplorable behavior at LLNL after the election? Or is this simply a way of tossing yet another insult at the republican voters, in frustration? Stick to puppies and coloring books folks.

Anonymous said...

Goldstein's memo was a very thinly veiled effort to vent at those employees not on board the Hillary train with him. No matter if he had been promised a DC gig if she won or not, his memo sinks to a low level. I do not recall any time in the past 40 years when a LLNL director sent out such a personal screed. Not once.

Anonymous said...

Oh, but Bill is learning some lessons from the election. Shockingly, he's imitating what he thinks was Trump's recipe for success.

Look closely: "People I know have even expressed concern for the safety and security of themselves or their families."

This immediately reminded me Trump's oft-employed rhetorical trick: "Many people tell me" followed by an inflammatory assertion for which no sources or supporting data could be found. LLNL employees are afraid that other Lab employees threaten their families? Really?

Evil Echo said...

The Lab is not the personal fiefdom for the director or his ADs. If he cannot keep his political views private, then he should be immediately replaced by a man or woman who can.

Anonymous said...

The Lab is not the personal fiefdom for the director or his ADs.

What..? This is considered one of the perks of of moving into management at LLNL why would want to change this tradition now.
At LANL we even had managers which would push their religious beliefs on staff.

Anonymous said...

December 1, 2016 at 2:49 PM


Evil Echo, we don't agree much, but on this, well said!

Anonymous said...

Bill's statement seems to be symptomatic of TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome: The tendency of some liberals to accept whatever CNN, MSNBC, Occupy Democrats, Daily Kos, etc. say about Donald Trump, regardless of evidence to the contrary.

If Hillary had won the Election, would his statement have reminded us that, although progressive forces might try to lead us astray, honestly and ethical business practices are still valued at the laboratory? Would he have cautioned against elitism by reminding us that we are all equal under the law and must adhere to the same rules and regulations? Would he have warned us that, in spite of the example set by our leaders in Washington, security shortcuts and blatant violations of security guidelines will not be tolerated at LLNL?

Probably not...

Anonymous said...

If Trump really wants to drain the swamp, he should ask for Goldstein's resignation over this blatently political memo.

Anonymous said...

Bill is just expressing the PC nannying ethic widespead in California public discourse. He is a busy body, telling someone else how to think, how to behave according to his notional world view.

He is dishonest. Exaggerating slights to control behavior. Using victimization as a weapon.

Typical California nonsense. It one of the good reasons middle America scoffs at us. He tries to have his way, but rejects others asserting theirs. Well piss in your eye, Dr. Goldschmidt. Like Pelosi and so many non native born interlopers your has been ideas are dead.

A new plain spoken ethos has arrived. Pigs will heretofore be known as pigs.

Anonymous said...

Neither diversity nor inclusion are essential to mission success. Avoiding those whose behavior you despise is an most effective form of innoculation, preservation and survival, as well as peace and comfort.

Bigotry and separation are by other names judgement and experience. Hating Nazis, gays or any other threat to personal welfare is the logical response to the same natural process of experience, deduction and response. The rational response to encoutering an impediment to goodness or happiness is to avoid it, to work against it. You don't owe the devil his due. Avoid the beautiful beast.

Inclusiveness, prima facia, is irrational. Swimming in the sea of unprotected diverity invites both degradation and discord.

Anonymous said...

Why does Bill bother with this crap? Revanchist? Really?

Bill. FOCUS

Anonymous said...

It is interesting what I think is also pertinent to this PC culture is that years ago California would lead the Country and what started here usually would spread across the Country.
Not anymore because California ideas and concepts are going in a different direction than much of the Country and in my small opinion people do not buy into those ideas anymore and also this PC culture hurts our great Academics because it shuts down half of the conversation on Campus. It is not balanced.

Anonymous said...

What an ass. Good luck LLNL, dark days ahead with this director.

Anonymous said...

I do not recall any time in the past 40 years when a LLNL director sent out such a personal screed. Not once.

December 1, 2016 at 11:16 AM


Ditto.

Anonymous said...

Trump's election did activate some fringe groups of racists, anti-semites, misogynists, etc. Which are a pretty disgusting bunch, no one has disagreement there. But the vast majority of Trump's voters do not fall into these categories. To insinuate otherwise is insulting, counterproductive and certainly does not promote healing and unity, which are indeed essential elements of mission success. In fact, continuing to shame Trump voters (who are a minority in the Bay Area!) has the opposite effect.

Anonymous said...

"Academics because it shuts down half of the conversation on Campus. It is not balanced.

December 2, 2016 at 9:00 AM"

The problem is that by having a conversation with Trump voters "normalizes" their choice. One does not have a conversation with Fascists, those conversations have already been concluded 80 years ago and we already know that it is wrong.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, right. Half the country voted for Trump and all those people, all 63 million of them, are Fascists and should not even be talked to. You really think that you live in the country, in which every second voter is a Fascist? All those that disagree with your political views do so because they are Fascists? What a paragon of tolerance, kindness, and diversity you are.

To contrast with this ignorant idiocy, Bernie Sanders had a sensible analysis of why Trump had actually won. See his NYTimes Op-Ed, http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/opinion/bernie-sanders-where-the-democrats-go-from-here.html

Anonymous said...

" Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Academics because it shuts down half of the conversation on Campus. It is not balanced.

December 2, 2016 at 9:00 AM"

The problem is that by having a conversation with Trump voters "normalizes" their choice. One does not have a conversation with Fascists, those conversations have already been concluded 80 years ago and we already know that it is wrong."

Respectfully, I think your comment calling 60M Americans Fascists just made my point.

Anonymous said...

So, you don't have to talk to people you disagree with, you just call them racists and now fascists. Many of us are very happy that people like you are totally out of power in the U.S. And if you really believe 60 million people in the U.S. are racists and fascists, well, you are probably Jewish, because the only people I know who believe all that are Jews who grew up brainwashed to think that way, and to toss Nazi and Hitler references around.

Anonymous said...

I think that some of the liberals posting here might benefit from looking up the definition of the word "fascism", because It doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. Indeed, liberal mayors and university administrators across the country have been guilty of fascism far mor often than their conservative counterparts. Donald Trump has yet to take office and hence has no authoritarian power to enforce the "fascism" that you seem to think he embraces. Calling people "racists", "fascists", and "neo-Nazis" simply because they disagree with your inflexible points of view is a laughably weak retort and a symptom of watching too much MSNBC...

Anonymous said...

Are there any liberals posting here? All I see are extreme right-wing comments and attacks on any comment that might be even middle of the road. To the Tump-voters who feel they are discriminated against and shamed: you should be ashamed. You voted for a candidate that ran on hate, fear, and lies. Nobody made you vote for Trump, you did it to yourselves. If you are ashamed of yourself, that is at least a small start.

And BTW, making you feel bad about who you voted for isn't discrimination. Ask a minority or female colleague about what it feels like to be considered lesser or someone who has to accept insults or assaults. Your white-male privilege is so deeply ingrained you can't even consider the idea that life might be different if you were a different race or sex.

Anonymous said...

"Your white-male privilege is so deeply ingrained"

Also add straight cis, and christian, privilege is very very complex and has many layers and that is part of the reason no one sees it.

Anonymous said...

Indeed, only LGBT, female, non-white, non-christian can be celebrated.

Anonymous said...

Oh, Mr. Privilege is back! So full of self loathing.

Anonymous said...

I intend to celebrate Saturday night. Too bad for you.

Anonymous said...

When I can't win a debate with content or ability I assert the blunt debate shibboleth "rascist"...and in the baffled confusion can usually eck out a draw.

It's about control.

Anonymous said...

It's "eke out" not "eck out" moron. You think way too highly of yourself.

Anonymous said...

You think way too highly of yourself.

December 3, 2016 at 8:03 PM

That is privilege for you.

Anonymous said...

The level of anger and vitriol expressed here clearly shows that Directer Goldstein's statement was necessary. Fortunately I have rarely seen such expressions in person at the lab.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the poster 12/4/2016, 11:36. I continue to find it interesting that the adherents to the right wing arguments do not realize that their rantings prove the necessity of political correctness and statements such as Goldstein's. Keep it up boys.

Anonymous said...

I continue to find it interesting that the adherents to the right wing arguments do not realize that their rantings prove the necessity of political correctness and statements such as Goldstein's.

December 4, 2016 at 12:31 PM

The chicken or the egg?

Anonymous said...

But it is curious, isn't it, that the folks who demonstrated the most intolerant and even hateful attitude here are the sore Clinton supporters. I mean calling half the country "Fascists" and saying that everyone who did not vote for Hillary shouldn't even be talked to is simply astounding. Bill could have said that we all need to come together now and everyone will be treated with respect, regardless of their political affiliation, but he instead he poured gasoline on the fire.

Anonymous said...

If you are concerned about millions and millions of American jobs being shipped to countries where the workers are paid a buck an hour, if you resent the fact that none of the wall street players responsible for crashing the economy went to jail in the last eight years for the fraud they had committed, why, you must be a Racist, Fascist, Homophobe, Xenophobe, and you should be shamed, ostracized and resented. Hate and intolerance are indeed always lurking.

Anonymous said...

Just another example of what Sieg Hecker stated the "Labs are now prisons under the LLCs". Warden Goldstein sending a threatening message to employees (inmates?). What's next, billy clubs?

Anonymous said...

But it is curious, isn't it, that the folks who demonstrated the most intolerant and even hateful attitude here are the sore Clinton supporters. I mean calling half the country "Fascists" and saying that everyone who did not vote for Hillary shouldn't even be talked to is simply astounding. Bill could have said that we all need to come together now and everyone will be treated with respect, regardless of their political affiliation, but he instead he poured gasoline on the fire.

December 4, 2016 at 1:38 PM

Exactly. But the left will never see it this way. They have a mental block that won't allow it.

Anonymous said...

Turn the Labs over to the "deplorables".

Oops, it's already being run by deplorables like director Goldstein.

What crap really. The intolerance is being shown by the Hillary folks, not the Trump folks.

Anonymous said...

How does reasserting intolerance for racism show lack of tolerance for normal behavior? Unless what you would like to be normal is racism and sexism?

Anonymous said...

Just because someone is not militant anti-male, that does not give you the right to call them sexist. Only a progressive would follow that convoluted logic.

Anonymous said...

Goldstein tipped his partisan hand by tying intolerance for racism and sexism with politics and the recent election. With that, he blew any possible positive result from his statement, and showed himself to be just another California liberal mouthpiece.

Anonymous said...

showed himself to be just another California liberal mouthpiece.

December 5, 2016 at 11:08 AM

He doesn't have the status to be a "mouthpiece." He is just another "mouth."

Anonymous said...


Do not normalize Trump, this is not normal nor acceptable, Godstein is doing he right thing in protecting the workforce.

Anonymous said...

Goldstein is protecting the workforce by bashing Trump? Ha ha ha. This is the best joke I have ever heard on my entire 60 years life. Thank you for a great laugh. Halirious...to put it mildly

Anonymous said...

Goldstein is protecting the workforce by bashing Trump? Ha ha ha. This is the best joke I have ever heard on my entire 60 years life. Thank you for a great laugh. Halirious...to put it mildly

December 5, 2016 at 7:12 PM

What is wrong with trying to bring emotional and physical safety to people? Do you realize how frighting or hurtful you sound?

Anonymous said...

Goldstein should make sure the employees are safe at work; But not by bashing Trump supporters. I did not vote "for" Trump. But Trump won. The American people have spoken.

Anonymous said...

"Just because someone is not militant anti-male, that does not give you the right to call them sexist. Only a progressive would follow that convoluted logic."

Seriously? In other words if someone thinks women deserve the same respect and chance in the workplace, that person is anti-male? I guess to you it is also anti-male to think equal pay for equal work is fair. You are such a disgrace to men everywhere who don't have to lift themselves up by belittling others.



Anonymous said...

"Just because someone is not militant anti-male, that does not give you the right to call them sexist. Only a progressive would follow that convoluted logic."

Wow, just wow, just to show you how tone deaf you are consider the following facts that refute your rather privileged viewpoint.

On average, women continue to earn considerably less than men. In 2015, female full-time workers made only 80 cents for every dollar earned by men, a gender wage gap of 20 percent.

We also live in a rape culture which is a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality.

You should also educate yourself about some basic facts of privilege.
Male privilege is a concept used to examine the social, economic, and political advantages or rights that are made available to men solely on the basis of their sex.

Anonymous said...

What is wrong with trying to bring emotional and physical safety to people?

December 5, 2016 at 9:42 PM

Physical safety, sure, if that is somehow your responsibility (if it isn't, MYOB). But "emotional safety"??. I don't even know what the hell that is. Freedom from bad emotions? The right to be happy all the time? Guaranteed rainbows. lollipops, and unicorns? Get real.

Anonymous said...

We also live in a rape culture which is a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality.

December 6, 2016 at 6:42 AM

Wrong and indicative of the kind of thoughtless drivel the left keeps trying to pass off as truth. Last time I looked, rape was against the law in every single jurisdiction in the country. Bank robberies happen too. Societies don't have attitudes, people do. If you are seriously suggesting that a majority of people in our society think rape is "normal" you are in need of a little normalization yourself.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Privilege is back. That word is popular on the left, and they throw it out there in every other sentence. It's nice, in a way, because as soon as you hear it used in this context, you know the speaker or writer does not think for himself, and simply parrots the fashions on the left.

Anonymous said...

If you live on the Left Coast, work in high tech or teach at Berkeley, everything is just peachy for you. You have no understanding what the working-class folks in Michigan or Indiana are going through. It's as far away from you as Zimbabwe or Burma. When you see that all of those Rust Belt states voted Republican, you are stunned. "How come?? The economy is doing so well!" Grasping for answers, you turn to your party leaders, who tell you that the Republican voters are "deplorables". It's simple and convenient answer: Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana are populated by Fascists and Racists! You don't have to think anymore. In fact, you don't even have to talk to "the Fascists". Just round them up and gas them, before they destroy the country with their "revanchist" agenda!

Anonymous said...

What happened that made him actually send this out?

Anonymous said...

Confused.

Didn't Trump beat a woman?

... so shouldn't Goldstein be more concerned with sexism and further accelerate the promotion of our high achieving co-eds?

Anonymous said...

"What is wrong with trying to bring emotional and physical safety to people?"

Actually, as a retiree, I can freely say that if you are serious about emotional safety to the regular employee/scientist/engineer/admin/tech you would fire most of the mid-level managers, as some are extremely emotionally abusive to those "below" them. Requiring "management" courses doesn't really help.

Anonymous said...

You're a managerist!

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