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Tuesday, April 2, 2013
New guards at LLNL
What is the story behind the new guards at LLNL?
9 comments:
Anonymous
said...
Are they new, or folks that use to man the bunkers and now spending time at the perimeter gates?
No one knows why there are so many new faces at the guard gate? New faces have been there for weeks and old faces seem to be missing. Are these new guards? Or simply other guards superblock? If they're from the superblock, where are the old faces? Were guards recently laid off?
Why don't you ask your local security folks who are trying to help you? If you don't have a personal relationship with them, it is your loss. The blog is a really stupid way to seek real information.
Those are actually old guards. The ones you use to see on the gates all got laid off. The ones you see now were working the after hours shifts and got bumped to day time hours. Security is not important to lab management now that de-inventory has taken place. There is no more SRT so if something happens you will have to rely on your own ninja skills.
There is no more SRT so if something happens you will have to rely on your own ninja skills.
April 4, 2013 at 6:25 PM
You show ignorance about what NNSA believes is worth protecting with its security forces. Hint: it isn't employees. Never has been. National security assets only (i.e., SNM and classified information. That does not include you.
Yes the SRT (Special Response Teams) have been disbanded. There is no longer team type tactical training. Officers that were on the teams - if they were not let go - still would know what to do if something happened, but that's just like a patrol police officer knowing what to do in a tactical situation.
If "tactical services" are needed at the Lab, they would come from either the East Alameda Tactical Team (joint SWAT team from Livermore and Pleasanton city police departments) or the Alameda County Sheriff SWAT team. San Joaquin County Sheriff SWAT team covers Site 300.
Also, the Lab's SRT was never intended or specifically trained to "protect" or rescue employees - their primary mission was protection of SNM, and offensive assaults into Superblock to kill the bad guys if they made it that far. Remember, from an SNM protection planning point of view, any security incident outside the Superblock had to be treated as a potential diversion, and Lab SRT would not have responded to it. The local SWAT teams (East County and AlCO Sheriff) would have responded while Lab SRT moved in to defensive positions in/around Superblock.
This has now all gone away with the removal of Cat I/II SNM. However, the tactical protection of employees is still the same - outside law enforcement SWAT.
Finally, remember the funding of the protection of SNM was direct "fenced" money from DOE HQ; $100M a year. So if the Lab had wanted to keep the SRT (and all the training required to maintain it), the money would now have to come out of the Lab's indirect overhead. And as mentioned earlier, their actually mission (protect SNM) has gone away.
9 comments:
Are they new, or folks that use to man the bunkers and now spending time at the perimeter gates?
No one knows why there are so many new faces at the guard gate? New faces have been there for weeks and old faces seem to be missing. Are these new guards? Or simply other guards superblock? If they're from the superblock, where are the old faces? Were guards recently laid off?
Why don't you ask your local security folks who are trying to help you? If you don't have a personal relationship with them, it is your loss. The blog is a really stupid way to seek real information.
oooo steady,, i lke it
Those are actually old guards. The ones you use to see on the gates all got laid off. The ones you see now were working the after hours shifts and got bumped to day time hours. Security is not important to lab management now that de-inventory has taken place. There is no more SRT so if something happens you will have to rely on your own ninja skills.
There is no more SRT so if something happens you will have to rely on your own ninja skills.
April 4, 2013 at 6:25 PM
You show ignorance about what NNSA believes is worth protecting with its security forces. Hint: it isn't employees. Never has been. National security assets only (i.e., SNM and classified information. That does not include you.
The security guards are there for customer service. That's it. If you think different you are fooling yourself.
The security guards are there for customer service. That's it.
I think the guards are still there to render tactical services if that is ever called for.
s/ Respectful Fool
Yes the SRT (Special Response Teams) have been disbanded. There is no longer team type tactical training. Officers that were on the teams - if they were not let go - still would know what to do if something happened, but that's just like a patrol police officer knowing what to do in a tactical situation.
If "tactical services" are needed at the Lab, they would come from either the East Alameda Tactical Team (joint SWAT team from Livermore and Pleasanton city police departments) or the Alameda County Sheriff SWAT team. San Joaquin County Sheriff SWAT team covers Site 300.
Also, the Lab's SRT was never intended or specifically trained to "protect" or rescue employees - their primary mission was protection of SNM, and offensive assaults into Superblock to kill the bad guys if they made it that far. Remember, from an SNM protection planning point of view, any security incident outside the Superblock had to be treated as a potential diversion, and Lab SRT would not have responded to it. The local SWAT teams (East County and AlCO Sheriff) would have responded while Lab SRT moved in to defensive positions in/around Superblock.
This has now all gone away with the removal of Cat I/II SNM. However, the tactical protection of employees is still the same - outside law enforcement SWAT.
Finally, remember the funding of the protection of SNM was direct "fenced" money from DOE HQ; $100M a year. So if the Lab had wanted to keep the SRT (and all the training required to maintain it), the money would now have to come out of the Lab's indirect overhead. And as mentioned earlier, their actually mission (protect SNM) has gone away.
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