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Thursday, September 17, 2015

UC regents discuss the status of the Labs

For those who missed it, UC Regents meeting today to discuss the status of the Labs. Norm Pattiz indicated he was happy to get rid of the Environmental work at LANL, "no interesting science here" He doesn't know waste is accumulating at TA-55 and is directly tied to science. He said "UC took a punch in the face" over the exploding drum at WIPP. No remorse or lessons-learned. Norm was wearing his 1000 caret diamond ring, Alexander Price suit, and drove off in his Austin Healy. The dwit nauseates me.

http://regents.universityofcalifornia.edu/regmeet/sept15/o2.pdf

APPROVAL OF A SUBSTANTIVE MODIFICATION TO THE LOS ALAMOS NATIONAL SECURITY, LLC OPERATING AGREEMENT AND A PERFORMANCE GUARANTEE TO ENABLE THE TRANSITION OF CERTAIN LEGACY ENVIRONMENTAL WORK AT THE LOS ALAMOS NATIONAL LABORATORY FROM THE CURRENT PRIME CONTRACT TO A NEW PRIME CONTRACT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY.
Anonymous said...
"UC 'running' LANL is what led to the current mess."


How? UC ran the labs just fine until 1999 with Wen Ho Lee, and even then UC was not to blame. The mess at the labs lies squarely at the greedy and corrupt politicians who where after money for the overlord corporations. In the long run this will destroy the labs and the country and it looks like we have we have the time limit for what is the long run. Hey look on the bright side a huge amount of money was made for certain people.

37 comments:

Anonymous said...

It is interesting, it appears that UC /LANS / LLNS wants to subcontract out the dirty work of cleanup. If the original poster is correct in saying that Patiz comments that this is not the "basic science" work that UC wants to do then how does one explain bringing in the partners Bechtel, Babcock/Wilcos, URS and Battelle. UC stated that they - UC - would be handling the "Science" and that the partners would be handling the other work, which should have included this dirty environment cleanup.

As usual, you bring in another scapegoat to take the hit. When DOE was being hammered over it's mismanagement of the national labs the NNSA is created. DOE passes the buck to NNSA which in turn passes it to the labs themselves. With UC creating the LLC it has the chance to pass the hot potato to its partners in crime and now with a subcontractor it's another layer of finger pointing.

It's good to be retired.

Anonymous said...

"When DOE was being hammered over it's mismanagement of the national labs "

And just way was DOE being hammered for the mismanagement of the labs? It seems like the labs ran fine before 1999. DOE was being hammered for mismanagement because it was convenient to get through the "for profit" model of corporations to run the labs and everything else in America. These corporations lobbied congress and they wanted something in return. This is the ultimate reason that the labs are in a mess now, it has nothing to do with UC, Wen Ho Lee, security, cowboy scientists or whatever. Even if there was never was a Wen Ho Lee, something else would have been blown out of proportion. It had to happen and and was going to happen. It was about how the United States has been sold out to corporations all in the name of money and that is all I have to say about that.

Anonymous said...

A UC-managed LANL would have done the same things, perhaps worse as Pattiz's comments above (if true) demonstrate. Their lack of oversight brought us Wen Ho, cowboys, Mustangs, classified-in-the-meth-lab, etc., and the "interesting science" comes with a lot of mundane repetetive boring overhead that must still be executed professionally. Their one saving grace was, it was never about fees for UC. Fees are turning all the labs and all the rest of the NNSA complex into purveyors of compliance and not much else, and THAT is costing the nation a lot more than it is now spending on LLC fees.

Anonymous said...

One might ask why Pattiz, Riley and the gang have anything whatsoever to do with scientific labs funded entirely at taxpayer expense.

Anonymous said...

When the talk regent....lies,lies, all lies!!! Then tie in the corporate weasels and you more lies! What did you expect with Rechtel??

Anonymous said...

Their lack of oversight brought us Wen Ho, cowboys, Mustangs, classified-in-the-meth-lab, etc.

False, utterly and completely and you dam well know it. Wen Ho Lee was never charged as a spy, there was never a Mustang, there where no cowboys, nor was there a meth lab. It was all made up, and if not these things than something else would have been made up to get in a for profit corporation. Here is a question, how is it that UC was fine for 50 years and in 1999 all hell broke loose? Maybe, just maybe similar minor things had been happening at all the labs all along but after 1999 the plan was to make money by privatizing the labs so everything had to be be blown out proportion and was. Also if LANL was the problem why would they also privatize LLNL, unless it was all about getting as much money out of running as many labs as possible. The whole thing of blaming UC makes no sense, never made sense and never will make sense. It is about money...get it money. No matter what the last 10 years has absoutly been a disaster for the labs in terms of being able to carry out the mission, now who is the blame for that? After the contract change, LLNL had a RIF, LANL had two VSPs outs, there has been an exit of a huge amount of talented staff, management has grown to crazy outrageous proportions, and there has been leadership screw up after screw up, moral is in the pits, and yet more than a billion dollars has been given away for profit without any added value, not even zero value, but negative value.

Anonymous said...

10:46 is spot on!

Anonymous said...

10:46 is spot on!

September 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM

Not quite. Most of what he says is true, but he carefully avoids the facts on WHL. While it is true (although disingenuous) to say "Wen Ho Lee was never charged as a spy," he carefully does not say "Wen Ho Lee was not a spy," because all the evidence points to him having stolen design information which then disappeared. He WAS charged with mishandling classified information, and the evidence of that is indisputable. Computer forensics clearly traced his actions and none of them were consistent with an honest scientist carrying out his responsibilities. That the government lost its nerve when it became clear that to win the case SRD information would have had to be divulged in open court does not change the facts. If there is anyone out there still interested in actual facts, the Bellows Report is available although heavily redacted.

Anonymous said...

10:46 is spot on!

September 19, 2015 at 7:35 AM

Not quiet. Qunitanna did take classified information out of LANL, and it was recovered in a meth bust in a local trailer park. Check the dates - this was after UC was replaced.

Anonymous said...

See above regarding Wen Ho.

There is indeed a cowboy culture at LANL, as has been observed by many people: For example, http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/25/nation/na-lab25, http://www.npr.org/healthscience/documents/holian_alamos.pdf, http://nukewatch.org/media2/postData.php?id=904, and many others. At the very least, most outside LANL and many inside perceive it.

"There was no Mustang". Pete Nanos.

There was classified in a meth dealer's trailer home, http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/10/25/classified-los-alamos-documents-found-in-meth-bust.html It may not have been a chemical meth lab, but why is the distinction important?

Anonymous said...

I too saw the video of Pattiz, he comes off very arrogant, very self aggrandizing. The rest of the Regents (including Neapolitano) appear lost and window dressing (literally with Pattiz) like while Pattiz is "reeling off" smart ass remarks. Unfortunately, sadly, I have no confidence in the University of California any longer, they (Pattiz) only represent the interests of Bechtel in every dumb decision. UC was once a great institution.

Anonymous said...

Wen Ho Lee, was never charged as a spy, and we must presume he innocent until proven guilty. Even the judge had to apologize to him.

>That the government lost its nerve when it became clear that to win the case SRD >information would have had to be divulged in open court does not change the facts.

This is BS, they have charged and persecuted plenty of other suspects before despite
sensitive information. Maybe they just did not have a case and they knew it. You simply do not know. One thing we know was there there was clear government misconduct in the case. There are plenty of other sources for you to read as well.


A Convenient Spy: Wen Ho Lee and the Politics of Nuclear Espionage Paperback – August 3, 2007
by Dan Stober (Author), Ian Hoffman (Author)

http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/a-spy-or-not-a-spy-that-was-the-question

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2001/08/lee-a21.html



>There is indeed a cowboy culture at LANL, as has been observed by many people: For >example, http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/25/nation/na-lab25, >http://www.npr.org/healthscience/documents/holian_alamos.pdf, At the very >least, >most outside LANL and many inside perceive it.>http://nukewatch.org>>/media2>/postData.php?id=904, and many others.


Are you really that stupid? Why do you insist on being militantly ignorant?

The Brad Holian document provides statistical data to show that there was no
"cowboy culture". Do you read the the things you post? In comparison to other labs in the DOE, and NNSA complex it is clear that there is no cowboy culture and never was a cowboy culture. No in LANL ever said there is a cowboy culture and the ones outside of the labs who said this where saying it for political reasons and did even believe it themselves.

>"There was no Mustang". Pete Nanos.

Uh, what on earth. It does not matter if Nanos said this or not, there was no Mustang. After a through investigation the total of "questionable or inappropriate"
transitions as less than 15K out of a budget of 2.3 billion dollars which is far bellow any comparable organization. The culture of theft never existed.

>There was classified in a meth dealer's trailer home, http://www.foxnews.com>sto2006/10/25/classified-los-alamos-documents-found-in-meth-bust.html It may not have been a chemical meth lab, but why is the distinction important?

This was after the contract change, there was now meth lab. The value of the information was also of very low quality.

Anonymous said...


We will presume that September 19, 2015 at 9:53 AM is a total idiot until proven otherwise.

Anonymous said...

6:31 = 7:08, I think you might have anger management issues. There are classes for that, like the ones you had to go through when you slapped up your wife.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:31 = 7:08, I think you might have anger management issues. There are classes for that, like the ones you had to go through when you slapped up your wife.

So because the person at 6:31 point out facts, he is having anger mgmt issues? Brave new world.

Anonymous said...

LANL should have been shut down years ago. There's absolutely nothing they do that can't be done better by LLNL and SNL, without the repeated public fiascos. Two weapons labs is an anachronism, so you get rid of the one that most deserves to go belly-up, and that is LANL.

Anonymous said...

"LANL should have been shut down years ago. There's absolutely nothing they do that can't be done better by LLNL and SNL, without the repeated public fiascos. Two weapons labs is an anachronism, so you get rid of the one that most deserves to go belly-up, and that is LANL."

False, as pointed out the public fiascoes never existed they where made public so
that LLNL and LANL would be privatized. There are also many things that are done at LANL that cannot be done at either Sandia for LLNL. In any case even if they
moved part of the lab many of the employees at LANL that you hate so much would simply move to these new labs and continue to live well. Even if LANL where ever shut down you would still be a bitter pathetic loser who got fired due to incompetence and are permanently unemployable. Did that about cover it?

Anonymous said...


"6:31 = 7:08, I think you might have anger management issues. There are classes for that, like the ones you had to go through when you slapped up your wife.

We will presume that September 19, 2015 at 9:53 AM is a total idiot until proven otherwise.

September 19, 2015 at 7:08 PM

So because the person at 6:31 point out facts, he is having anger mgmt issues? Brave new world."


You have a a very good point, and yes it is a fact that September 19, 2015 at 9:53 AM poster is a total and complete idiot.

Anonymous said...

yes it is a fact that September 19, 2015 at 9:53 AM poster is a total and complete idiot.

September 20, 2015 at 10:12 PM

I certainly hope you don't work at LANL or LLNL. One would hope those employees at least know and respect the difference between a fact and an opinion. Claiming your opinions are facts is not the most effective way to establish or maintain credibility. If you care.

Anonymous said...

The only cowboy was Nanos. Heck, he even came to a meeting wearing a cowboy hat! If Security had listened to those involved with the two "missing disks" they would have realized they NEVER existed. Nanos was looking for someone to squash with his pointed cowboy boots and he did a bang up job. Several people were fired (two that falsified inventory report of classified, which I feel is justified) and one scientist (unjustified). Shortly after that the scientist died - the day they said it was all a mistake.

WHL was guilty; him writing his book doesn't mean anything. The judge that apologized shouldn't have. Bad judgement, if you ask me.

There was also no Mustang. Maybe except the horse that Nanos came to town on. Rode it till it died and got a cushy deal going to Washington and staying on the Laboratory payroll for a while.

The Quintana incident is true. A drug bust at her home discovered the classified documents.

Don't believe everything that is printed in newspapers or on the News. Just saying.

Anonymous said...

Don't believe everything that is printed in newspapers or on the News. Just saying.

September 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM

Amen. And even if you can believe some of it, it is never the whole story.

Anonymous said...

WHL was guilty; him writing his book doesn't mean anything. The judge that apologized shouldn't have. Bad judgement, if you ask me.

Sounds like a personal opinion with no basis, if you ask me.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like a personal opinion with no basis, if you ask me.

September 21, 2015 at 8:54 PM

The basis is something you will have to wait for, maybe for a very long time, until declassification of the details of the investigation.

Anonymous said...

The labs will be criticizedbecause there are lab haters. Traitors who put failure of the stockpile as job 1. Onlt affirmative action faggot twats would getbabfree pass because they would not be measured at all. But UC can not find sufficient competent others to don that particular immunity cloak. Instead, they live in the slinging shit, accomplishments lots, failing sometimes snd leaf at the top of UC byba real prick.

Anonymous said...

That Norm Pattizheads the Regents team running the labs shows they don't care if the labs suceed or fail. He is openly incompetent.

Anonymous said...

Way too drunk to post...

Anonymous said...

That Norm Pattizheads the Regents team running the labs shows they don't care if the labs suceed or fail. He is openly incompetent.

September 22, 2015 at 1:32 AM

Someone seems bitter that Norm didn't pick them for a job. Just sayin...

Anonymous said...


Hat you stoapid scientit at LLNL and LANNL, cowboys and cowgirls, where is my ford mustng yo stole. UC is cannot run a landrament much less a lab,I shuld know since I wehre dirty cloths. I am more smartthan you Phd arrogents

Anonymous said...

So much for getting rid of EM work at LANL.

http://www.energy.gov/em/articles/doe-awards-legacy-cleanup-contract

Anonymous said...

What does the Phrase "just saying.." mean?

You are just now aware words came out of your mouth... but you're not sure what they mean?

Anonymous said...

What does the Phrase "just saying.." mean?

You are just now aware words came out of your mouth... but you're not sure what they mean?

September 24, 2015 at 8:12 PM

No, it is a cultural phrase that has come to mean that the speaker realizes he has offended the listener but wants the listener to know that he doesn't want any consequences for his offense, because it was just a random comment he hoped would not engender any bad feelings or consequences. The ultimate "let me get away with this because I know it was offensive but I hope you don't care."

Anonymous said...

Actually, September 24, 2015 at 9:03 PM that's not what I meant in my September 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM comment. I knew exactly what I was saying as fact and not a random comment. I failed to look up the "definition" in the urban dictionary prior to usage. Although I must admit that I didn't care if people thought it offensive. Fact is fact. I know. I was there..... And no, I wasn't involved directly, I was only in the periphery.

As stated by Anonymous September 21, 2015 at 10:03 PM comment; people may never hear the evidence and FACTS regarding WHL (see below).

The basis is something you will have to wait for, maybe for a very long time, until declassification of the details of the investigation.







Anonymous said...

" And no, I wasn't involved directly, I was only in the periphery. "

Even if you where only on the periphery of those or any other event is does not mean you have any real understating of what actually occurs, the process, or the true nature of the results. It is possible that you are not intelligent enough to understand or interpret correctly what happened or you had some other kind of mental disability or deficiency that kept you form correct understanding of events around you. From some of your other posts it is safe to to assume that you have a rather distorted view of reality so you may not be the most reliable source for information of any kind. Just sayin...

Anonymous said...

"Bitter Man" returns.

Anonymous said...

"Bitter Man" returns.

September 26, 2015 at 7:36 AM

Bitter is as bitter does.

Anonymous said...

September 25, 2015 at 10:20 PM

I think you are giving me credit for posts that I haven't written. I'm just wondering, do you have a stutter when you talk to?

"From some of your other posts it is safe to to assume"

Anonymous said...

I'm just wondering, do you have a stutter when you talk to?

September 28, 2015 at 9:44 AM

Talk to whom?

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