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Wednesday, May 22, 2013

Furlough rumours

Furloughs, the word on the rumor front 40 million short fall.

When?
Who?
How long ?

75 comments:

Anonymous said...

Coming soon enough. Just run some spreadsheet taking in consideration a 10% cut in pay forever and up you 401k contribution by 2%, adjust your living style and do with less. It's only the beginning folks. Remember, one of the questions during the transition was how much could they raise the 401k contribution too. I think the answer was 16%. Your almost 1/2 way there. Give it five more years at ~2% increase per year with no pay raises and all will be well. Mission accomplished.

Anonymous said...

Coming soon enough. Just run some spreadsheet taking in consideration a 10% cut in pay forever and up you 401k contribution by 2%, adjust your living style and do with less. It's only the beginning folks. Remember, one of the questions during the transition was how much could they raise the 401k contribution too. I think the answer was 16%. Your almost 1/2 way there. Give it five more years at ~2% increase per year with no pay raises and all will be well. Mission accomplished.

Anonymous said...


You mean: how much could they raise the pension contribution to

I asked that question at one of those transition meetings and they hemmed and hawed and basically said there was no cap.

Parney said it wouldn't go above 7%...but then Parney also said there would be a 80m LLNS contribution to the pension (never happened), your VSP choice would not be shared until after Thur (list already circulating), so...take it with a grain of salt.

The pension math is brutal once you no longer have a steady influx of new members at a (growing) base of the pyramid.

We have a ton of people in the 50-60 age range where they don't need to get any raises in order to get significant yearly pension increases. They need to incentivize those people out so they can arrest the yearly increase to COLA only.

Anonymous said...

I thought NNSA was going to allow more funding to be reprogrammed to NIF (by shutting down site 300 for instance) to cover the shortfall.

Anonymous said...

Shutting down Site 300 would be like Livermore eating its seed corn.

Anonymous said...

Site 300 is living off LANL's seed corn thanks to McMillan and Knapp.

Anonymous said...

Does any one knows if Bob Perko is taking the VSP?

Anonymous said...

So, here we are Friday. LLNL has enough people taking VSP or it has to lay off to save money?

Anonymous said...

Livermorons would eat their own babies just to keep NIF alive.

Anonymous said...

Wrong tense, "have eaten"

Anonymous said...

...and will have to eat more of its babies to keep NIF on its respirator ?

Anonymous said...

Yeh they would eat their babies und there coffee was really made from roasted barley. War against NNSA is burtal.

Anonymous said...

The grammar nazi is apparently a novice. The following sentence and its use of "would" is correct. Maybe you are a non-native English speaker? It must be embarrassing when you correct others and you turn out to be wrong more than half the time. Maybe dementia is setting in you old fart.

AnonymousMay 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM
Livermorons would eat their own babies just to keep NIF alive.

Anonymous said...

Wrong tense, "have eaten"

May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Perhaps this writer wanted to say that the lab "already ate" meaning "did eat"...

...how have we turned "LLNL-The True Story" to an English grammar online class?



Anonymous said...

Here morons. Stop trying to fix grammar that is already correct. You are just exposing your own ignorance.

http://www.englishpage.com/modals/would.html

Anonymous said...

Stick to speelling errors. You seem to do that decently. Here is a freebie for you.

Anonymous said...

"have eaten" completely changes the meaning of the sentence. I can't believe you missed that. "would eat" is the right wording. See that link on a previous post. Duh! You are a native English speaker? I would guess that you are some ahole chinese fis moron sitting in front of the computer trying to improve his English language skills?

Anonymous said...

Yeah it's so odd that some moron would correct what is a very commonly used (and correct) sentence construct. See, it even works in this previous sentence.

Anonymous said...

What was the original question? How long will this 10% cut in pay last. Forever is the answer since next year will be the SOS and every year after that until the $17T debt is paid in full. The problem is it's schedule to be $20T in a few years so how can the cuts ever go away. ANSWER: They are not. I hope a lot of you turn 60 real soon or took the SSVSP.

Anonymous said...

"have eaten" completely changes the meaning of the sentence.

May 24, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Which was the intent!!!

What a bunch of dullards. No wonder nothing useful has come out of Livermore for decades.

Anonymous said...

Dear "Moron,"

Did you look up the modal forms of "would" yet? And how is the original sentence in the "wrong tense" when it is using the proper modal form? Or are you changing your excuses (admission that you were wrong on claiming "wrong tense")?

Here is another example of the same correct usage of the modal form for "would."

A moron on the blog would correct other posters' grammar despite his own ignorance regarding simple rules of grammar.

You are wrong quite often. What's going on? Is everything okay overthere?

Anonymous said...

Livermorons would eat their own babies just to keep NIF alive.

It uses a correct modal form for "would."

Anonymous said...

He needs to drop some "Obama-Hate" to divert the attention from his grammar "miss."

Anonymous said...

Typical.

A bunch of bitter losers gleefully chortling at anything they can imagine goes wrong, which inevitably descends into insulting one another over something pointless and stupid.

Anonymous said...

Like NIF

Grammar police said...

Both verb forms are correct, yielding different meanings.

Anonymous said...

Yup, the grammar nazi just undermines himself. Must be the altitude.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM
Wrong tense, "have eaten"


Again, May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM is wrong. I don't think he has gotten the lesson though. So I'll keep reminding him until he does.

Anonymous said...

The grammar nazi made the same "mis-correction" before some months ago. I don't think he will ever get it. Probably he IS suffering from dementia or Alzheimer's or something. Poor guy, I almost feel pity for him.

Anonymous said...

The Society of Morons held their first annual conference in 2011.

All Moron conference participants sat around a great, large table in B-111 or was that in B-235, maybe it was in B-453...They put a motorcycle on the table and asked: "what is this"? No one knew what it was. After much thought, a normal looking moron said: "it is a motorcycle." All the morons got up, applauded and yelled "yeaha! Monron the the year."

In 2012, at the second annual morons' conference. Same place, same participants. They put a bicycle on the table and asked: what is this?" Two days went by without answer; suddenly a really good looking moron got up. He looked like he could be second line manager or division leader or maybe A.D.. He calmly said: "it is a bicycle."
The crowd was so excited, they screamed: "yahee!!! Moron of the year" and awarded him a bonus check.

This year, 2013. the same morons conference was organized. It was in mid-May. Same morons came. They put on the table something looked like half of a bike, it only had one wheel but a moron can ride it around.

I forgot what is the name of this one-wheeled thing, what it is called before I can continue my story...

Please help ...

Anonymous said...

Both verb forms are correct, yielding different meanings.

May 25, 2013 at 12:30 PM

You are correct. I believe the original "nazi" was just trying to imply that NIF is already dead, which would be the implication of the form "Livermorons would have eaten their own babies just to keep NIF alive." It wasn't a grammar correction, it was a suggestion that that boat has sailed.

Anonymous said...

That is a disingenuous excuse because NIF is clearly still alive. Nice try. Just look back to your similar mis-corrections regarding modal forms for "would." Another indicator was the fact that you used the term "wrong tense." Just accept the fact that you learned a grammar lesson today and will be more informed when you post grammar corrections in the future.

Anonymous said...

Yeah what's up with the lame excuse? When he wrote "WRONG tense," followed by other terms, he was making a correction. That is not a suggestion. Yes he is being completely disingenuous. Pretty pathetic. Grammar Nazi and Grammar Nazi got schooled bro.

Anonymous said...

It is called "bait" for the monron otherwise known as May 25 2013 1:47 PM.

Anonymous said...

That post is irrelevant. His point is mute anyways. You still got it wrong. Any more excuses nazi?

Anonymous said...

You probably posted that yourself, you are a big enough loser that would do something like that just to save face, of what little you have.

Anonymous said...

Lets hear your anti-Obama anti-women anti-union ranting. Don't hold back because I know you enjoy going off on that kind of tirade. Do what makes you feel good, dude.

Anonymous said...

I am the poster at May 25, 2013 at 1:49 PM; I am NOT the earlier poster, whom you all seem to detest so much. Hatred of views different from your own is typical of this blog. Please leave me out of your vitriol.

Anonymous said...

May 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM said:
"Livermorons would eat their own babies just to keep NIF alive," and then May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM said: "Wrong tense, "have eaten"" meaning that May 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM *should* have said: "Livermorons have eaten their own babies just to keep NIF alive."

Now, regardless of the grammar, if you do not believe this to be true, just ask anyone here who does not work on NIF, and has had their project gutted to keep NIF afloat.




Anonymous said...
Wrong tense, "have eaten"

Anonymous said...

Yes the non-nazi posters have their own statements to make, but the spelling nazi is still wrong.

Anonymous said...

The grammar nazi is also the anti-Obama anti-women anti-union ranter.

Anonymous said...

We know one thing for sure...that the grammar nazi is not very intelligent.

Anonymous said...

You people are insane.

Anonymous said...

No, but the Nazi is probably suffering from dementia or Early stage Alzheimer's. maybe even bipolar, seeing his sporadic tirades

Anonymous said...

Thank god for obamacare though. He's sure to get care and treatment because if it.

Anonymous said...

I am amazed in reading most of these comments. It takes a moron to know another moron I guess.

It seems to me all of bloggers in this blog are "mature" adults, yet it seems again, like kids who call others 'morons" while they are the biggest morons in the world.

Especially the person who guessed the "Chinese" something....If it was in fact, a Chinese something; good for that Chinese somebody who try to learn another language, while the "criticizer" might not speak proper English even he is an American-born.

Please have more self-respect.

Anonymous said...

Chinese FIS means Chinese foreign intelligence service. It was not a conment about Chinese ethnicity. It was about a specific country and its threat capability. And for your benefit, you should read the mandiant apt report along with other similar reports on Chinese FIS and cyberattacks. Poor English is an indicator.

Anonymous said...

If you google "Chinese FIS" you would have realized that your rant is really mute. You're the only one that is immature. The rest of us are quick to correct you.

Anonymous said...

Moron

Anonymous said...

Chinese FIS moron.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous May 25, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Don't you feel foolish? Again? Mo

Anonymous said...

Fo

Anonymous said...

It's not as bad a screwup as, say, claiming that there are no private sources of funding in the US for basic research.

Anonymous said...

I worked at the lab for sometime. Reading this blog make me begin to believe that I have turned into a Livermoron for real. Moron-ism is contagious at the lab. I was infected with airborne moron without knowing it ....you moron, me moron. You no moron , me no moron. Moron moron ok?
Is there a cure for this moron-ing ina the near future ?

Anonymous said...

Only the Nazi would have his head so far down the gutter that he would assume racist innuendo into a post about that included Chinese FIS and their poor English skills as indicators. I'm a bit surprised he of all people accuses others of racism. He even accused posters self-identified as minorities as racists. Unbelievable. Then he goes on those bipolar rages against women, minorities, unions, Obama, etc.

Anonymous said...

Get an education from Nmsu or whatever nearby institution to demoronify yourself. Blame only yourself.

Anonymous said...

I wish this whole thread were "mute."

Anonymous said...

Somebody claimed thar May 24, 2013 at 11:17 PM was a racist post ? Hahahahaha! It wasn't even a bait! You people make me laugh. So gullible and not even willing to google terms you don't understand. What a bunch if Larries. Maybe more learning and less proselytizing is in order, eh?

Anonymous said...

I'm lost in all the BS on this thread. Obviously there are people on here that have no life.

Does ANYONE have any REAL info. regarding a furlough or not? If so, please share. If not, do us all a favor and STFU!

Anonymous said...

No, the Nazi needs to make sure everyone is up to par with regards to spealing and grammer.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM
Wrong tense, "have eaten"

Again, May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM is wrong.

J-Dog said...

"Anonymous said...

The grammar nazi is also the anti-Obama anti-women anti-union ranter.

May 25, 2013 at 8:33 PM"

In response, not true.

So little Jimmy got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
His Mother asked him if he took that cookie and Jimmy said no.

Mother said, "Little Jimmy stop telling Obamas'"

Then Jimmy said, "I don't know anything about it".

His Mother said "Jimmy stop telling Eric Holders'"

Finally his Mother said, "Jimmy if you keep lying like this you are going to either grow up and be a Union boss or host a non partisan show on MSNBC".

Anonymous said...

Again, May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM is wrong.

May 26, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Yes, but May 25, 2013 at 1:49 PM is likely correct, making this entire thread "mute."

Anonymous said...

The Nazi said "WRONG tense"

That is not correct. How can something be "likely" correct in this case? He didn't make any commentary to change the meaning of the original post. he used the word "wrong" For that, he is clearly wrong.

Anonymous said...

The Nazi isn't very smart anyways. It is a mute point.

Anonymous said...

Lets go into a topic that is more intellectually stimulating than grammar and spelling. Topics like EoS and materials strength experiments on the NIF platform. Or better yet, status of the "fixes" for ignition

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lets go into a topic that is more intellectually stimulating than grammar and spelling. Topics like EoS and materials strength experiments on the NIF platform. Or better yet, status of the "fixes" for ignition

May 27, 2013 at 4:18 PM

That is never going to happen on this blog because no one cares if NIF ever gets ignition. I'm sure you have figure that out by now.

Anonymous said...

That is never going to happen on this blog because no one cares if NIF ever gets ignition. I'm sure you have figure that out by now.

May 27, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Yep, it's amazing that any thread that concerns actual science or nuclear weapons gets no comments from a blog associated with a science and nuclear weapons lab!

Anonymous said...

Well...because this blog is for "real" information of LLNS that only "real" employees would pass on to employees...This is not about science, this is about grading the management of the LLNS in these present days. If there were no transition to LLNS, this blog would never be here. LLNL was a good place to work. The transition to LLNS was the mistake of the century in every sense.

Anonymous said...

May 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM

You sir, are absolutely correct. It started with the transition of LAL to LANL and then punks then gave LLNL to LLNS. This is going to go down in history as one of the biggest blunder the U.S. had even done not only for science but the country. China will be taking the lead very soon if they haven't already and the young being non patriotic where money talks and BS walks is going to follow the money regardless if they have to sell the entire country to foreign nationals. If you'd just stop and watch you'll see this happening right now under your nose. Why? Because they know the national labs have no secure future, no benefits and they have no alternative but to work for those who will offer a defined pension program or their wages are so high they can get that $1.5M to $2.0 M in their savings before age 60. Again, destroying the pension plan UC offered in 1980's to 2004 was the biggest mistake this nation has ever made and this blog proved it over and over again.

Anonymous said...

May 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM

You sir, are absolutely correct. It started with the transition of LAL to LANL and then punks then gave LLNL to LLNS. This is going to go down in history as one of the biggest blunder the U.S. had even done not only for science but the country. China will be taking the lead very soon if they haven't already and the young being non patriotic where money talks and BS walks is going to follow the money regardless if they have to sell the entire country to foreign nationals. If you'd just stop and watch you'll see this happening right now under your nose. Why? Because they know the national labs have no secure future, no benefits and they have no alternative but to work for those who will offer a defined pension program or their wages are so high they can get that $1.5M to $2.0 M in their savings before age 60. Again, destroying the pension plan UC offered in 1980's to 2004 was the biggest mistake this nation has ever made and this blog proved it over and over again.

Anonymous said...

May 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM

You sir, are absolutely correct. It started with the transition of LAL to LANL and then punks then gave LLNL to LLNS. This is going to go down in history as one of the biggest blunder the U.S. had even done not only for science but the country. China will be taking the lead very soon if they haven't already and the young being non patriotic where money talks and BS walks is going to follow the money regardless if they have to sell the entire country to foreign nationals. If you'd just stop and watch you'll see this happening right now under your nose. Why? Because they know the national labs have no secure future, no benefits and they have no alternative but to work for those who will offer a defined pension program or their wages are so high they can get that $1.5M to $2.0 M in their savings before age 60. Again, destroying the pension plan UC offered in 1980's to 2004 was the biggest mistake this nation has ever made and this blog proved it over and over again.

Anonymous said...

AnonymousMay 27, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Sir, you are wrong. The post counts for EoS and ignition related topics are off the charts. Same with the levels of traffic and readership. NIF EoS and ignition threads are the big items. Just see past threads from August. People care a great deal.

And to remind you yet again, more NIF EoS news is coming down the pipeline.

Anonymous said...

No one cares about EoS. Why don't you guys do something useful. Back to a topic of concern.

Coming soon enough. Just run some spreadsheet taking in consideration a 10% cut in pay forever and up you 401k contribution by 2%, adjust your living style and do with less. It's only the beginning folks. Remember, one of the questions during the transition was how much could they raise the 401k contribution too. I think the answer was 16%. Your almost 1/2 way there. Give it five more years at ~2% increase per year with no pay raises and all will be well. Mission accomplished.

Anonymous said...

What I want to know is why May 29, 2013 at 6:43 AM always posts everything twice. Except when he posts it 3 times.

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