Thursday, October 17, 2013
Disappointed
With a $17T deficit you should expect your budget to be cut drastically since it's the logical thing to do to any none mission critical project, NIF being the biggest of them all. The nation cannot afford toys for the boys anymore. With that said I'm very disappointed the Republicans allowed the debt ceiling to be raised for any reason. All this is doing is postponing the inevitable. I guess the socialist democratic party will go down in history for being the party of the people who caused the greatest depression this world has ever seen. The good news is, they SDP “socialist democratic party” will get what they deserve. Global recognition.
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The Republican-controlled house voted for all the budget appropriations leading to the need to raise the debt ceiling the next increment. They didn't really care about the debt as a make-or-break issue, they were just seeking political leverage. No issue with them seeking that, nor getting their asses handed to them. Senator Cruz got a lot of publicity, but it was a dead end.
"The Republican-controlled house voted for all the budget appropriations leading to the need to raise the debt ceiling"
So true. This gets lost in the right-wing bashing of the President. Obama nor individual agencies like DOE set the budget, they only can spend what Congress has authorized. And the debt ceiling is about paying past bills authorized by Congress, not about future expenditures.
Congress hasn't sent the President a budget in years. If Congress wants the executive branch to spend less, then they have to do their job and come up with a budget and get it to the President.
October 17, 2013 at 12:34 PM
The republican party doesn't have to come up with a budget, they just need to say, STOP all spending and shut it down for 22 years then we'll figure out how to pay off the $126T we owe. The spending has to STOP , period. There are many places that can be cut without touching SS, Mediacre or peoples pensions. Hell, just this little shut down saved $70B so why not keep all that shut down as they did and pay off the damn bill.
Is this now a Tea Party terrorist site now?
There are many places that can be cut without touching SS, Mediacre or peoples pensions.
October 17, 2013 at 1:34 PM
Nope, just do the math. Discretionary spending is a drop in the bucket. SS and Medicare must be means tested.If you thought the money you paid in was "yours" then someone fed you a real load of crap, and you bought it. The money paid in goes to current recipients in the same year, and there is nothing left. There aren't enough future workers to pay in enough to support future retirees. Simple math.
Anonymous said...
Is this now a Tea Party terrorist site now?
October 17, 2013 at 1:57 PM
I guess that's better than being an anti-American socialist domestic terrorist Whitehouse backed by socialist anti-American Obama lovers. You POS couldn't run on a budget if your life depended on it, bozo.
"The republican party doesn't have to come up with a budget, they just need to say, STOP all spending and shut it down for 22 years then we'll figure out how to pay off the $126T we owe. The spending has to STOP , period. There are many places that can be cut without touching SS, Mediacre or peoples pensions. Hell, just this little shut down saved $70B so why not keep all that shut down as they did and pay off the damn bill.
October 17, 2013 at 1:34 PM"
I am not sure you really have a point. Economics can be rather and when you say we owe 126T I think you are very confused about what that actually means. People also say we have a trade unbalance like it is actually bad and they really do not understand what this means. This is one of the key problems I keep seeing with people saying "STOP THE SPEDNING". In the 80s people said the exact same thing, that debt was out of control, that we where all doomed. Well in the end we spent even more and nothing happened. You need to really understand economics before you can start saying these things and few people do. I know some but I am no expert but the common sense notion of the things people say like "We Have a 500T Derivative Bomb" simply do not know what they are saying.
I am also not saying we waste a lot money, however after dealing with the military and other entitlement programs, I can safely say that our labs and science investment in general are very good investments. Giving 100 billion to private companies to kill civilians in Iraq and treat our solderers badly is not a good investment, however it does make a small number of people very very rich. Well hell we brought in Bechtel now who would love nothing more than to get more and more money out of the labs for doing less and less.
With $17T deficit and $126T unfunded liabilities I suspect any morning I will wake up and hear this. Sorry people the banks are closed, if you had anything in there its gone and China is here to collect payment in full. Personally I would like to see the nations bills paid in full and owe no one the time of day. I'm very uncomfortable being in debt as much as this nation is knowing who we are borrowing money from and also knowing those same nations want off the US dollar and onto the euro in order to avoid a world wide depression. I guess what I hate about this most is having to go down with the ship when I made no contribution to its demise.
"With $17T deficit and $126T unfunded liabilities I suspect any morning I will wake up and hear this. Sorry people the banks are closed, if you had anything in there its gone and China is here to collect payment in full. Personally I would like to see the nations bills paid in full and owe no one the time of day. I'm very uncomfortable being in debt as much as this nation is knowing who we are borrowing money from and also knowing those same nations want off the US dollar and onto the euro in order to avoid a world wide depression. I guess what I hate about this most is having to go down with the ship when I made no contribution to its demise.
October 17, 2013 at 6:16 PM"
I hear your concerns but how realistic is it? When you say we have 17T is debt what does that really mean? Is it really like you owe Guido money and he will break you legs when you don't pay? Or is the 17T sort of a mutual exchange of money? The relation between China, US, Europe and India in terms of economics is far more complicated that you think. If US goes down so do they all due to the new global economy. Additionally the whole idea of paying off the bills totally would most certainly lead to economic disaster not to mention other problems. Due you understand the debt the United States owed during WWII, the cold war, compare that to now, but in a normalized way not in absolute dollars.
It appears that those who think austerity is the answer don't know much about the failure of past austerity (Japan) or the harm of present austerity (Greece and Spain).
And they don't appear to be considering the point that we can grow the economy enough to make the pain bearable. We certainly need to cut (military spending is as unsustainable and our healthcare was) but we can't cut our future (education and infrastructure) or we we'll be a country of stupid people with lots of broken stuff. If anything those things need even more focus.
The major holders are the Social Security Trust Fund and the US Treasury (through "Quantitative Easing" buying). Try to actually understand some facts before you spew your drivel again.
That's really good SS, not funded, treasury, prints fake money to devalue the dollar and money market, vulnerable by the stock market which I suspect just before it all goes down the toilet the rich who do inside trading will have pulled every dime they own out before the next morning as all the peons who have nothing will wake up broke. Bottom line, the US is living on a false economy only being held together by the treasury by pumping billion a month into a system that is worthless as boobs on a boar hog.
or we we'll be a country of stupid people
October 17, 2013 at 10:07 PM
If Congress is any indication, we are sliding down that slope faster than anyone could have predicted.
my friends I believe this "crack cocaine" spending by the Democrats will cost you at least 1/2 of your pensions....no question that will happen.
Unfortunately I am sorry to say if you voted for a Democrat I do not feel sorry for you.
You deserve to lose your pension (I am sorry to say) for not being informed how the Dems use the system to give handouts and squash capitalism and will do just about anything to a special interest group to gather their vote.
DO NOT COMPLAIN WHEN YOU LOSE YOUR PENSION LIKE DETROIT!!
... or we we'll be a country of stupid people ...
On average, we are already a country of stupid people despite all the money we spend on education. The United States has the highest education expenditures in the world yet ranks near the bottom in terms of achievement among developed countries. The more we spend, the worse we get.
Regarding Greece, austerity did not cause it's economic problems. Greece's problems were caused by endless/reckless government spending.
Are the people commenting here really Lab employees?
It's really hard to believe.
What Democrat spending are some of you talking about?
It appears to me and to most of those paying attention understand that the only spending the (D)'s have implemented is spending to bail out the harmful GOP policies that we were and are saddled with. (Wars, economic collapse and the resulting unemployment costs, unfunded medicare mandates' etc.)
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".. or we we'll be a country of stupid people ..."
I'm learning that typing on a phone isn't as easy as it looks.
October 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM
You are as stupid as you believe . Have a good day and keep on with your pro-socialist ideologies and maybe in your lifetime you'll get to see America sink into the abyss, which is what your (D) party strives for at the cost of all the rich and working class. To you 50% to 90% tax on those who work to support you auss is a good thing. To me 10% is it bubba.
"What Democrat spending are some of you talking about?"
It is actually sad if you do not know that President "cannot seem to ever tell the truth" Obama has put us in debt more than all of the other presidents in history.....COMBINED.
Keep drinking the kool-aid and I know that you will feel the pain when you loose your pension (126T in unfunded liabilities) and then you will snap out of it....
and that is just a maybe for you because you seem to believe D talking points as truth).
If you aren't capable of explaining, with specifics, the justification for the things you complain about then you're just whining.
You've certainly got your short attention span sound bites down but it takes more than that if you expect to be taken seriously by anyone with a brain.
October 18, 2013 at 5:33 PM
It got your attention but since you're brain dead like 99% of your SDP cartel members are I guess it's full speed ahead into the cesspool of socialism for the nation, hah ! This would put you and your associates in the same category as Edward Snowden.
LOL You've certainly gotten my attention.
But then laughing at the stuff you folks say, but can't give an example of, will always get my attention because laughing AT you is just plain fun.
Although to be truthful IF you work at one of the Labs then I'm a little disapointed that a place full of very smart people is being represented by someone with your diminished intellect.
Insanity does not denote or require diminished intellect.
October 19, 2013 at 11:00 AM
yep and you'd be surprised how many people around you hate the SDP and the people who put the Massiah in office, twice.
Once again:
Not being able to explain the justification for the hate beyond "because I said so" is just whining.
"Not being able to explain the justification for the hate beyond "because I said so" is just whining.
October 19, 2013 at 5:26 PM"
If you are in the SDP, then by definition you cannot be reasoned with so there is no point in trying to explain the obvious to you. The sky is blue whether you believe it or not. I still wet my pants at the thought of all you lab lemmings suffering but you deserve what you get since you are just sucking up the taxpayers money. I too used to work at the lab but that was different, I was valuable what we did was for defense. Maybe some said I was not so bright, crazy, or I was slow, but I got the job done and I can tell that dumbest people I ever meet had Phds. They thought they where sooo smart and knew better, but I had common sense. Look where they are now and where I am. I am happy rich, and left that all behind. I never think about how badly they treated me. I never gave the lab a thought again after I left with all me benefits and pensions. The lab and the people there are just parasites.
It looks/reads as though you're not capable of a serious discussion that includes facts and examples. Which appears to show the real reason why you're not working at any of the Labs any longer and why you embrace the things your TV, radio and tin foil hat tell you to believe.
I can see how some of the PhDs. may appear to be "dumb" to folks like yourself but that's got much more to do with your inability to understand them than the inverse.
S.
I never think about how badly they treated me.
October 19, 2013 at 7:45 PM
Actually it is very clear to everyone that that is ALL you think about. Your bitterness and self-hatred are palpable. You failed professionally, and that will stay with you forever, benefits and pension or not. Lots of incompetent folks just hang in until they can retire. If you are really "rich" (which I doubt) you wouldn't have to spend time here trying to justify yourself. You'd have a million better things to occupy your time. The fact that you don't speaks volumes. Alone and lonely. Ask yourself: where would you be without internet access? Probably dead, right? Sad.
October 18, 2013 at 8:30 AM
The handouts to the welfare parasites is how the SDP gets their votes and its how they're going to retain them. This is why selective population control is no longer an option it should be mandated and all funds to these parasites should be cut off.
You mean like the GOP's Medicare part D, their willingness to outsourse the labs to their doner's, the wars for profit, the huge tax cuts the GOP passed for the rich, the GOP's rejection of tax code adjustments because their doners paid good money for that bit of favoritism?
Those kinds of programs to get votes?
It appears to me that your only complaint with the Democrats is that they want to give the poor enough to allow them to eat and to maybe get a job.
Are you aware that of the ~250 most dependent (welfare, food stamps (SNAP), medicare, etc.) areas in the country that the GOP is in firm control of ~215 of them?
So the primary reason that the (D)'s care is actually because they understand that we, as a country, have a responsibility to feed our poor.
And not because there's some political gain available.
...we, as a country, have a responsibility to feed our poor.
October 20, 2013 at 11:33 AM
Wrong. The poor have a responsibility to get an education and a job so they can feed themselves, just like anyone else. We, as a country, have a responsibility to find out why that's not happening and fix it.
So the primary reason that the (D)'s care is actually because they understand that we, as a country, have a responsibility to feed our poor.
And not because there's some political gain available
The SDP has allowed these parasite to such us dry for more than 60 years now and there's been absolutely no improvement. They are all still running around saying, "you owes me". The only way this can be cured is to stop all welfare and let the SOB figure out how they are going to make it. If they resort to crime, shot the SOB's and don't waste our tax dollars on jail space. That's almost a decade and all the SDP wants to do is give them more all paid for by those who actually work and "for vote" since they make up the mass majority of the pukes who put Odumbo in office for that very reason. You's feed me and I's keep you's in office to destroy some more. It's a fact, we DO NOT owe the poor people of this country the time of day and we surely don't owe the poor people of the world anything.
I suppose that it was just a matter of time before some of you blamed the poor for the negative results of the many GOP policies that have resulted in more even more poor people and the continued stagnation of middle-class incomes.
As you embrace the folks at the top and the favoritism that allows them to pocket all of the profit generated from the labor of others.
The vigilanty cowboy stuff is always interesting but most people who have actual real life experience understand that those of you who talk tough are often the same people who cower in fear if/when stuff hits the fan.
That or else you're the one shooting some unarmed kid and pretending that your action is justified and you should be considered a hero.
It understandable that you'd like to ignore the fact that our various welfare States are overwhelmingly red and the states that prop up those failed states with our money are overwhelmingly blue.
After all your news won't tell you that, so of course your going to ignore the point.
Here's your chance to see who the real welfare queens are.
http://www.businessinsider.com/red-states-are-welfare-queens-2011-8
The vigilanty cowboy stuff is always interesting but most people who have actual real life experience understand that those of you who talk tough are often the same people who cower in fear if/when stuff hits the fan.
That or else you're the one shooting some unarmed kid and pretending that your action is justified and you should be considered a hero.
It appears you have a family of gang banking punks of which yes I believe they should issue a hunting license with no limit and let what ever happens be done on a daily basis until they are all exterminate. If you're referring to the black dude who the media played up as a sweat heart by the security guard you're a sick person for protecting some of the worse POS we have on the face of this planet.
If you're now talking about gang bangers then we agree about the need to hold them accountable.
But don't go pretending that you or anyone like you is going to exterminate anyone.
I don't know anything about "the black dude" so I'll leave that part to your imagination.
I'm not surprised to see that you'd like to ignore the documented truth that those who think like you are the real mooches in this country.
I'm not surprised to see that you'd like to ignore the documented truth that those who think like you are the real mooches in this country.
October 20, 2013 at 6:48 PM
Not guilty and that's all that matters.
Argue all that you want but when you loose your pension because the D's have overspent several times over then you will be sorry you votes.
Soon the interest rates on the National Debt will be going up when the Fed cannot keep them down (artificially) any longer.
Then my friends you we see the error of whom you put in charge to run the locomotive.
Then your arguments will stop.
You think the Fed controls interest rates paid on the debt? Man you are delusional.
Yes my mistake.....
But the point is when they (interest rates on our debt) go up
it will prove the "community organizer" has bent us over.
You reluctantly admit that Obama has no control over interest rates on the debt and in the next breath you blame him if they go up. LOL
You've certainly got all of your bases covered although you appear to be ignoring the fact that your GOP has lowered confidence in our willingness to pay and that the GOP generated doubt is what is causing bond costs to rise.
You reluctantly admit that Obama has no control over interest rates on the debt but you neglect to mention he can (by having a budget LOL) can lower the debt and not spend so much on votes...I meant entitlements!!!! ...sorry that statement bypassed my political correct filter:(
In other words pardon e for being too honest.
I've already shown you who benefits the most from government spending. And the answer is GOP strongholds.
So if you want to talk about buying votes you need to find a mirror to look into. (Don't forget that eye contact is always important)
No one is pretending that the debt isn't a problem. The question is do we embrace austerity or growth as the way out of that problem. The (D)'s see growth as the way out and the (R)'s see austerity as the only way out and the (R)'s are willing to destroy our economy to prove their point.
Obama has submitted a budget proposal every year. It's congress that is responsible for passing and submitting one to him for his signature...or his rejection.
The (D)'s see growth as the way out
October 21, 2013 at 6:47 PM
Only growth of government. Growth of the private sector is Obama's greatest fear.
Private growth has been the only real and substantial growth we've seen in Obama's terms.
He doesn't appear to mind that growth.
So your whole point appears to be nothing more than flawed wishful thinking on your part.
Now if you want to talk about the huge government growth prior to Obama then we could easily have that conversation.
Triple Bush's deficit doesn't come from private sector growth. Nor does it come from "Bush's war". It's now "Obama's war." Let's talk about the increase in food stamps from canceling Bill Clinton's requirement to work, and the intent not to check income for verifying Obamacare subsidies, until he was shamed into it. He is all about redistribution of "my" wealth. I'm not going to let that happen. He is content to let Israel carry out US foreign policy and they will. What a loser.
"I've already shown you who benefits the most from government spending. And the answer is GOP strongholds."
Perhaps you have this wrong. In these GOP strongholds larger portion of the parasites have control and the GOP portion must become stronger because the proximity to the parasites.
In placed like NY and Mass the GOP bring in all the money (Wall street, high tech) and there are less parasites.
It some sort of logic that, but whatever. I just know Jackson Mississippi is way better than Stockholm.
October 21, 2013 at 9:44 PM
As long as they pay off the national debt and the unfunded liabilities W/O raising taxes on ANYONE for ANY reason every again and get my total tax expenditures down to 10% of my earned income I don't care.
As long as they pay off the national debt and the unfunded liabilities W/O raising taxes on ANYONE for ANY reason every again and get my total tax expenditures down to 10% of my earned income I don't care.
October 22, 2013 at 6:24 AM
Then I guess you really care, because none of that is going to happen.
Always chuckle when an obviously blazing Republican that probably supported spending 1T a year for nearly a decade chasing nonexistent WMDs in Iraq would make any claims against the Democrats over the national debt.
You're free to pay only the 10% rate that you've committed to.
Let is know how that works out for you.
It's always fun when people who owe everything they are, and will likely ever be, to a healthy state and federal tax rate refuse to do their part
Hypocrisy much?
I was pretty amused by this whole thread until the last post.
I can't imagine that there's really somebody out there who thinks that somebody "owes everything they are or ever will be to a healthy state and federal tax rate".
This is eactly what's wrong. People thinking the government is responsible for making people what they are. It just isn't so.
Perhaps I oversimplified the point.
I'll use my life as an example:
Public school.
Military
GI Bill
Private job
Lab job.
And yet some would like me to believe that I don't owe a big part of what and where I am to the taxes we and everyone before us paid?
Sure I put in the effort but at the same time I can't help but to appreciate the education and the opportunities I was given AND, through my effort, earned.
I will never vote in favor of any tax increase for any one for any reason , ever,
October 22, 2013 at 9:48 AM
Um, no one ever asked you to, or ever will. Tax increases aren't voted for, they are passed by the people you vote for (or not). How can you hate the government so much when you don't even understand it? Oh, unless you are talking about the idiotic government-by-referendom in California. Yeah, it must suck to live there.
I want to help all of us.
Just put on the blinders and pretend everything is fine and pretend "community organizer" is working hard and bringing our country together (like ANOTHER broken promise).
It is better if you just drink the kool-aid and walk around that our 17T debt is not a problem nor is the 126T pension liability.
Have another glass because Kalifornia is also doing great with Democratic spending (160-320T in debt and spent last years surplus).
Do not worry you will lose your pension it is all ok.
I tip my glass (of grape kool-aid) to you, let's vote in some more progressives.
The Dems are sitting back right now trying to figure a way to blame Detroit and California debt on....guess who....the REPUBLICANS.
I think the California debt is BUSH'S FAULT.
I sincerely believe there are stupid Dem voters who believe anything the Dems feed them....unfortunately we have a majority of stupid people in our country and they count as a vote....LOL funny isn't it....
One more time IT IS BUSH'S FAULT.....funny.
It's fun watching you folks try to blame the extreme spending, the unfunded liabilities and the downturn on everyone except yourselves and the crappy policies that you and your republican masters embraced.
And that's without even mentioning your parties outsourcing of the labs to our new high cost entities.
Obama debt spending in 5 years is greater than all of the previous Presidents combined.
To the above poster I will bet my house to yours that the above statement is a provable fact.
I will bet my house to yours that the above statement is a provable fact.
October 23, 2013 at 8:12 PM
It doesn't take much - the numbers are easily obtainable. The problem is that the "progressives" have "progressed" beyond mere "facts." If there has been anything less than perfect about the Obama presidency, it is obviously Bush's fault.
http://m.whitehouse.gov/infographics/us-national-debt
When do I move in?
I'm not surprised that you folks aren't smart enough to realize that your fake news source is lying to you.
Or that off budget wars will eventually have to be accounted for.
You folks are just too easy. LOL
The link seems to be a talking point link on policies and not a time line.
Since "the community organizer" has been in office in 5 years the debt is more than all the Presidents before him combined.
That is a fact.
An opinion is that "the community organizer" does not care at all how much the debt is or goes up.
Do you need a "time line" to understand the differences between the spending, and the resulting long term costs we're still saddled with, that one president initated and the programs, actions and spending the next president was able to implement?
I like how so many in this country claim to hate lifetime politicians but they don't hesitate to whine when we elect someone who isn't a lifetime politician.
OTOH It does go well with all the other hypocrisy they offer. LOL
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off budget wars will eventually have to be accounted for.
You folks are just too easy. LOL
October 23, 2013 at 9:06 PM
The laugh is on you. The wars are not "off budget"; there hasn't been a budget in 4 years. The wars get paid fro, just like everything else the government spends money on, by borrowing.
Can't believe the OP is organizer of this blog... Time to unsubscribe.
It appears that your understanding of recent history (the House GOP refuses to meet with the Senate to resolve the difference between the budgets that both have passed) is only exceeded by your lack of understanding of history prior to the election of President Obama.
Perhaps you should read more and post less because you're making an otherwise intelligent entity look like we're a bunch of bumpkins
Can't believe the OP is organizer of this blog...
October 24, 2013 at 9:53 AM
Why would you think that? Scooby rarely posts, except to scold someone for breaking the rules. The OP on this thread is just one guy who keeps spewing his "socialist democratic party" rant on every thread. In fact, I just decided to vote "yes" on Scooby's poll so maybe the adults can get on with serious discussion.
In fact, I just decided to vote "yes" on Scooby's poll so maybe the adults can get on with serious discussion.
I did too even if it means the blog will die. All he has to really do is take the anon capability away.
Like 90% of the media it appears the ""socialist democratic party" rant" stuff is all about the facts and actual proof that the points are right and accurate.
On the other hand the silly stuff you folks keep claiming and saying doesn't consider any part of the truth. And with that it's nothing more than whining because you think that all it takes to make your point.
I'll make you a deal if you tell me who you are I'll sure as heck tell you who I am. Unlike some of you I won't be seen as an idiot because I have actual facts to back my stuff up and I don’t link to wing-nut sites or wing-nut media.
Are you in or out on that? :ear
October 24, 2013 at 1:08 PM
I doubt no matter what you say is going to change anyone's mind. Just remember there is YOU and then there is THEM and that's the way it is always going to be forever.
If you state something as a "fact" and not everyone agrees with you, then you simply need to present your evidence. If still not everyone agrees with you, it is by definition NOT a "fact" but just your opinion. You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
I've posted facts and they've been ignored because it appears that they are too painful for some to acknowledge.
I've requested facts to justify the opinions of others and those requests have been ignored because facts don't work into a disagreement based on hate and little else.
Some can pretend that their willingness to ignore fact makes them less than fact. However the knowledge that they can't generate a rebuttal beyond their traditional "because I said so" shows just how lame many of the points some of you try to make are.
FWIW- I'm not interested in changing the opinions of the wing-nuts. I'm only interested in letting those who read, but don't post in, these blogs know that we're not all as stupid as these wing nuts.
"..Yeah, it must suck to live there..."
Yep. Its terrible. Don't come. Go some place else that wants you.
We are disabledby foolish initiatives that limit tax rates. And give public power to thumps entrenched politicians. Terrible idea. Tammany Hall is superior,right. One party confiscates property of the productive and wastes it.
It it weren't for Jarvis-Gann property taz limits and term limits we could have New Jersey's property tax rates and Penn-DOTs mob-based nepotism. Heck we might even reach the level of Illinois historically prominent leadership. 36% pension funding, Rostenkowski, Hoffa, Daley, Capone, .
Or maybe when we finally grow up California will be ruled over by a Kennedy, a J. E. Hoover or when we achieve sainthood, his benifiecence, the Lord of the Scold, O'wonderful hisself.
Yep, California is different than other places. Go home.
".. have a responsibility to feed our poor." Less. Feed fat people Less.
I see a lot of unproductive fat people, playing on guilt to get a handout, to avoid productive employment. And that's just in my family.
Private charity is just that.
"...are often the same people who cower in fear if/when stuff hits the fan. .."
source Rachel Maddow or Call to Duty?
(the BS flag is flapping proudly)
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